Civil War Doomsday Clock

[Montegriffo]

Ah, it's the razor wire.
It's illegal to use razor wire in this country. The government still uses it on prison walls and just pays the fines.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I've not been following this.
What are the grounds for removing the barrier?
Was it erected without the proper due process?

The feds claim the exclusive right to secure the national border. There’s no constitutional provision for when they decide not to. Texas decided to do so, and the feds are suing them for not allowing anyone to walk in.

[Montegriffo]

I've not been following this.
What are the grounds for removing the barrier?
Was it erected without the proper due process?

The feds claim the exclusive right to secure the national border. There’s no constitutional provision for when they decide not to. Texas decided to do so, and the feds are suing them for not allowing anyone to walk in.

Yet the Republican majority Supreme Court ruled that the razor wire should be removed?
Is that the SC or the Texas SC?

[Martin Hash]

I've not been following this.
What are the grounds for removing the barrier?
Was it erected without the proper due process?

The feds claim the exclusive right to secure the national border. There’s no constitutional provision for when they decide not to. Texas decided to do so, and the feds are suing them for not allowing anyone to walk in.

Yet the Republican majority Supreme Court ruled that the razor wire should be removed?
Is that the SC or the Texas SC?

It's more subtle than that. SCOTUS removed the injunction to stop the feds from removing the fence until after the trial. The 4 conservative judges said "no, let the wire stay until the judicial process decides," but the 3 lefties and 2 moderates said, "this is a fed-only matter and it doesn't make any difference what the states think so the wire will have to be removed eventually anyway."

[SuburbanFarmer]

I've not been following this.
What are the grounds for removing the barrier?
Was it erected without the proper due process?

The feds claim the exclusive right to secure the national border. There’s no constitutional provision for when they decide not to. Texas decided to do so, and the feds are suing them for not allowing anyone to walk in.

Yet the Republican majority Supreme Court ruled that the razor wire should be removed?
Is that the SC or the Texas SC?

In a normal time, the last few dozen lawsuits and complaints from border states would have been heeded by congress. In 2024, they’re dismissed as nazis by the cargo cult in Washington.

‘Republican’ does not mean what it used to mean. Therefore, trump.

[Montegriffo]

The feds claim the exclusive right to secure the national border. There’s no constitutional provision for when they decide not to. Texas decided to do so, and the feds are suing them for not allowing anyone to walk in.

Yet the Republican majority Supreme Court ruled that the razor wire should be removed?
Is that the SC or the Texas SC?

It's more subtle than that. SCOTUS removed the injunction to stop the feds from removing the fence until after the trial. The 4 conservative judges said "no, let the wire stay until the judicial process decides," but the 3 lefties and 2 moderates said, "this is a fed-only matter and it doesn't make any difference what the states think so the wire will have to be removed eventually anyway."

So a final decision hasn't been made yet?

[Martin Hash]

Yet the Republican majority Supreme Court ruled that the razor wire should be removed?
Is that the SC or the Texas SC?

It's more subtle than that. SCOTUS removed the injunction to stop the feds from removing the fence until after the trial. The 4 conservative judges said "no, let the wire stay until the judicial process decides," but the 3 lefties and 2 moderates said, "this is a fed-only matter and it doesn't make any difference what the states think so the wire will have to be removed eventually anyway."

So a final decision hasn't been made yet?

To remove the wire: yes. Whether the state will win its case: probably not; Supremacy Clause.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Texas maintains control of the state park in question, with the national guard. Not sure what the Feds next move is, but it won’t be forceful, unless they want an actual civil war.

Governor of Oklahoma declared that it stands with Texas.

Interesting times indeed.

[C-Mag]

Texas maintains control of the state park in question, with the national guard. Not sure what the Feds next move is, but it won’t be forceful, unless they want an actual civil war.

Governor of Oklahoma declared that it stands with Texas.

Interesting times indeed.

I just don't feel like much will come of this.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Texas maintains control of the state park in question, with the national guard. Not sure what the Feds next move is, but it won’t be forceful, unless they want an actual civil war.

Governor of Oklahoma declared that it stands with Texas.

Interesting times indeed.

I just don't feel like much will come of this.

It may not, but the last few times we saw the feds directly challenged were Bundy Ranch (feds lose but shit all over on the way out), and Jan 6th (feds win, but shit all over and imprison a bunch of people).

This is the first time in my lifetime that 2 states have openly rebelled, and Texas does not back down. This could get interesting very quickly.