Meanwhile in Ukraine

[The Conservative]

The true pandemic is narcissism.

Narcissism by itself isn't a pandemic. Most people who have it barely have the intelligence to do anything with it.

It's the idiot savants or “we lucky few” are the dangerous ones.

Sadly. The majority of them find their way into government.

[C-Mag]

NATO Chief Stoltenzwhateva now talking about peace negotiations that allow Russia to keep some of the conquered territory, Ukraine becomes a NATO member.

Narcissism continues. He thinks he gets to speak from a position of authority when he really has none.

They seem to forget that lying to Russia for the last 9 years, the sham Minsk accords, etc. Has turned Russia into a highly skeptical nation in dealing with the west.

NATO can no longer dictate terms. But the fact that they've now submitted to a smaller Ukraine is big.

[Haumana]

NATO Chief Stoltenzwhateva now talking about peace negotiations that allow Russia to keep some of the conquered territory, Ukraine becomes a NATO member.

Narcissism continues. He thinks he gets to speak from a position of authority when he really has none.

They seem to forget that lying to Russia for the last 9 years, the sham Minsk accords, etc. Has turned Russia into a highly skeptical nation in dealing with the west.

NATO can no longer dictate terms. But the fact that they've now submitted to a smaller Ukraine is big.

Non starter. The Ukraine will cease to exist before it becomes a full NATO member.

[SuburbanFarmer]

NATO Chief Stoltenzwhateva now talking about peace negotiations that allow Russia to keep some of the conquered territory, Ukraine becomes a NATO member.

Narcissism continues. He thinks he gets to speak from a position of authority when he really has none.

They seem to forget that lying to Russia for the last 9 years, the sham Minsk accords, etc. Has turned Russia into a highly skeptical nation in dealing with the west.

NATO can no longer dictate terms. But the fact that they've now submitted to a smaller Ukraine is big.

Non starter. The Ukraine will cease to exist before it becomes a full NATO member.

This.

[C-Mag]

I tend to agree boys.

I think the biggest factor has nothing to do with Russia. The problem with Ukraine is that they have no national consensus on Ukraine. Zelenskys persecution ofetnic Russians and the Orthodox Catholic church, along with Banderites have left a a country few citizens have faith in. Most their brain trust left years ago. Citizens have to be Shanghaied into serving in the military, and the nation can't even produce mortar rounds.

[C-Mag]

I'm using this thread as the catch all for US foreign policy.

African independence movements took US Foreign Policy 'Experts' completely by surprise.

When US Acting Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, traveled to South Africa on July 29, her reputation as a blunt instrument of Washington’s hegemonic interests preceded her......

Nuland and her team were demonstrably unprepared to grapple with recent developments on the African continent — particularly the military coup that removed Niger’s pro-Western government hours before she launched her multi-stop tour of the region.

“In over 20 years working with the Americans, I have never seen them so desperate,” the official told The Grayzone, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Pretoria was well aware of Nuland’s hawkish reputation, but when she arrived in Pretoria, the official described her as “totally caught off guard” by winds of change engulfing the region. July saw a popular military junta come to power in Niger followed military coups in Mali and Burkina Faso that were similarly inspired by mass anti-colonial sentiment.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/08/29/nige ... rica-tour/

And if you haven't checked a map lateley all of sub-saharan Africa from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean is basically in revolt. A band of states not only seeking independence, but perhap an alliance that would control all north - south movement on the continent.

Now, this is Africa. So control of nations is sometime measure in hours and days instead of years. But the fact remains that the US put tremendous investment in Africa since the BHO presidency and it looks like it has backfired. US clout in the world appears to be imploding.

[Martin Hash]

No traditional nation is going to follow in Woke footsteps; no amount of money, no threat, no appeal to democracy. They all now know that “democracy” means feminists in control.

[C-Mag]

No traditional nation is going to follow in Woke footsteps; no amount of money, no threat, no appeal to democracy. They all now know that “democracy” means feminists in control.

I agree.

There's more to it IMO. Right now people are seeing that the facade of the Presidency is no longer in place. Americans may go along with it, but to other nations we are not a serious country.

[Haumana]

I'm using this thread as the catch all for US foreign policy.

African independence movements took US Foreign Policy 'Experts' completely by surprise.

When US Acting Deputy Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, traveled to South Africa on July 29, her reputation as a blunt instrument of Washington’s hegemonic interests preceded her......

Nuland and her team were demonstrably unprepared to grapple with recent developments on the African continent — particularly the military coup that removed Niger’s pro-Western government hours before she launched her multi-stop tour of the region.

“In over 20 years working with the Americans, I have never seen them so desperate,” the official told The Grayzone, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Pretoria was well aware of Nuland’s hawkish reputation, but when she arrived in Pretoria, the official described her as “totally caught off guard” by winds of change engulfing the region. July saw a popular military junta come to power in Niger followed military coups in Mali and Burkina Faso that were similarly inspired by mass anti-colonial sentiment.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/08/29/nige ... rica-tour/

And if you haven't checked a map lateley all of sub-saharan Africa from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean is basically in revolt. A band of states not only seeking independence, but perhap an alliance that would control all north - south movement on the continent.

Now, this is Africa. So control of nations is sometime measure in hours and days instead of years. But the fact remains that the US put tremendous investment in Africa since the BHO presidency and it looks like it has backfired. US clout in the world appears to be imploding.

Don't underestimate the involvement of the French in all of this. They are the major oil company in many of these African countries. Also, it could be the US destabilizing Europe (the French, in this case) not unlike the Nordstream bombing was carried out to crater Germany.

[C-Mag]

Don't underestimate the involvement of the French in all of this. They are the major oil company in many of these African countries. Also, it could be the US destabilizing Europe (the French, in this case) not unlike the Nordstream bombing was carried out to crater Germany.

No doubt, good call.

I tend to believe the US really did not expect this and are trying to play catch up. There's a great game afoot in Africa right now. China and Russia are competing for a share of the natural resources in Africa.