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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:47 am

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Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:34 am
Half the Ukrainian mine and obstacle clearing tanks have been destroyed. They had about 10 to start. 20% of the Bradleys and about that number of Leopards have been destroyed.

If Ukraine doesn't have the Russians on the verge of collapsing after this first week, they are going to fail badly. They are just losing too much equipment. Sounds like 150 of all kinds in the first week, or 20 a day. Not sustainable. In a month they will be out of equipment. Zelensky is already calling for more Leopards from the West.

Medevev was quoted as saying they will take Kiev and destroy the Zelensky regime, citing terror attacks on Russia as a reason they cannot be negotiated with.

That will take time, another year I'd say if things continue like this.
Think about attacking the Russian armed forces in an entrenched position with 10 of anything. They’re fucking delusional.

I think Russia never expected it to be this easy. They’re probably arguing about how much to take without incurring direct war with NATO - and whether they’d even lose that.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:37 pm

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Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:47 am

Think about attacking the Russian armed forces in an entrenched position with 10 of anything. They’re fucking delusional.

I think Russia never expected it to be this easy. They’re probably arguing about how much to take without incurring direct war with NATO - and whether they’d even lose that.
Delusional, I agree. Ukraine is just following the orders of their masters in Washington. Remember this is a NATO trained and equipped Army attacking Russia. They have been very proud of that fact, and reminded us all Winter and Spring about this fact.
General David Petraeus, 6-3-23 ~
this counteroffensive is going to be very impressive............. they will achieve combined arms effects in other words, they will successfully carry out combined arms operations where you have engineers that are breaching the obstacles and diffusing the minefields and so forth; armour following right on through protected by infantry against anti-tank missiles; air defence keeping the Russians aircraft off them; electronic warfare jamming their radio networks; logistics right up behind them; artillery and mortars right out in front of them.

And most important of all … is that as the lead elements inevitably culminate after 72-96 hours, physically that’s about as far as you can go, and they’ll have taken losses … you have follow-on units that will push right on through and capitalise on the progress and maintain the momentum and I think that can get the entire Russian defence in that area moving, then I think you have other opportunities that will open up on the flanks as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... 07454b97f0
I believe the Russians are happily surprised at the Ukrainian tactics, but I don't believe any of it has been easy.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:30 pm

Well now that’s dead in the water...

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/burisma-ener ... ound-dead/
The chief accountant at Ukraine’s Burisma Energy, who offered to provide US authorities with damning evidence regarding financial crimes involving Joe and Hunter Biden, has been found dead before she could testify.

The Burisma whistleblower, who has been identified as the wife of the former Burisma owner Mykola Lisin, who also died in suspicious circumstances during the years of the Obama administration when vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter were active in Ukraine.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:33 pm

Ukrainian detailed Battle Plans published by a blogger
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/05/08 ... hie-front/
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Word is that Russia had them in advance. Blogger claims they are authentic, and appear to be so. The battle map shows the dam blown and the reservoir gone.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:29 am

The Ukrainian Offensive has been 'suspended'. Which is the nicest way to say it was an utter failure.

The Ukrainians did not achieve a single meaningful goal in the entire offensive, and it's reported they've lost half their armored vehicles. This is WWI level stupidity, failing to understand that the current level of technology makes Brigade and smaller level maneuver warfare impossible.

The Ukrainians never took one piece of high ground, never destroyed the screening line, never reached the first line of defense of a Russian Army with a 3 deep, Defense in Depth strategy.

This is at least the 3rd time we've seen this misunderstanding during this war. Early on the Russians and Ukrainians learned that modern tech levels prevented big arrow offensives, the Russians paid. Then last Winter around January the Russians attempted it again, losing a company of armored vehicles in a couple hours. The Russians stopped that non-sense. Now we've seen the Ukrainians attempt it too, why ?

Did they believe in Western Wunderwaffe ? Did they believe their propaganda ? Or were they pressured into it in an attempt to shore up fading support internationally for this bloodbath ? Likely a combination of these factors. In 3 weeks NATO will meet in Vilnius next door, the specter of failed Ukrainian counteroffensive will weigh heavy.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:23 am

C-Mag wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:29 am
The Ukrainian Offensive has been 'suspended'. Which is the nicest way to say it was an utter failure.

The Ukrainians did not achieve a single meaningful goal in the entire offensive, and it's reported they've lost half their armored vehicles. This is WWI level stupidity, failing to understand that the current level of technology makes Brigade and smaller level maneuver warfare impossible.

The Ukrainians never took one piece of high ground, never destroyed the screening line, never reached the first line of defense of a Russian Army with a 3 deep, Defense in Depth strategy.

This is at least the 3rd time we've seen this misunderstanding during this war. Early on the Russians and Ukrainians learned that modern tech levels prevented big arrow offensives, the Russians paid. Then last Winter around January the Russians attempted it again, losing a company of armored vehicles in a couple hours. The Russians stopped that non-sense. Now we've seen the Ukrainians attempt it too, why ?

Did they believe in Western Wunderwaffe ? Did they believe their propaganda ? Or were they pressured into it in an attempt to shore up fading support internationally for this bloodbath ? Likely a combination of these factors. In 3 weeks NATO will meet in Vilnius next door, the specter of failed Ukrainian counteroffensive will weigh heavy.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:03 pm

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The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Oh Yeah
Ukrainian police upped their tempo of pulling men off the streets to force into uniform too. I saw a video of them going after a farmer. The farmer hopped on his tractor and got away from the compact car of shangai agents chasing him, pretty humurous. But when you start forcing farmers into uniform, it indicates you are very short on manpower, it means you are will to trade food tomorrow for military power today.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:23 am

The US confirmed this week that Russia has approx. 350,000 Soldiers holding the line in Ukraine.
The Ukrainian offensive is employing a total of 35,000 to 50,000 Soldiers.
The Ukrainians are attacking, while being in up to a 10:1 troop deficiency.

How in the Fuck is the West allowing this to happen ? This is suicide.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:49 am

C-Mag wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:23 am
The US confirmed this week that Russia has approx. 350,000 Soldiers holding the line in Ukraine.
The Ukrainian offensive is employing a total of 35,000 to 50,000 Soldiers.
The Ukrainians are attacking, while being in up to a 10:1 troop deficiency.

How in the Fuck is the West allowing this to happen ? This is suicide.
Neocons dgaf. They’re gettin paid.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:32 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:49 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:23 am
The US confirmed this week that Russia has approx. 350,000 Soldiers holding the line in Ukraine.
The Ukrainian offensive is employing a total of 35,000 to 50,000 Soldiers.
The Ukrainians are attacking, while being in up to a 10:1 troop deficiency.

How in the Fuck is the West allowing this to happen ? This is suicide.
Neocons dgaf. They’re gettin paid.
I guess.

You'd really have to be stupid to believe Ukraine is still going to push Russia out at this point. With these numbers the Ukraine would have to have 1.5 Million fully equipped and trained Soldiers to succeed.
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