Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:29 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Satellites will be the 1st WW3 casualty; R Boomers & Zoomers willing to give up social media for Ukraine?
I think it matters what happens, who plays real hardball first. If Russia goes after the Satilities, the US will intervene. If Russia stays on the ground, it becomes a Europe front...
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:20 pm

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SuburbanFarmer wrote:
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But anything could happen. The West is so invested in Ukraine, they could start WWIII over it, rather than lose it. What if Russia were advancing on Odessa and NATO suddenly declares Ukraine is now part of NATO ?
That is the worst case scenario. And entirely possible.
Let’s say that happens: WTF can NATO do? They send 1 salvo of bombers then the Ruskies will hypersonic missile the airport they flew out of. Do the Poles want hypersonics raining down? How about Britain? If jets are launched from aircraft carriers, Russian subs will take them out with hypersonics. There’s no endgame here where NATO wins.
Chances of it going Nuclear will be increased greatly.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:22 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm
Satellites will be the 1st WW3 casualty; R Boomers & Zoomers willing to give up social media for Ukraine?
:lol: I don't think they will like it

Yeah, it's hard to imagine going back to 1970s era media. But satellites would be a fair target.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Haumana » Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:31 am

Big if true.


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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:52 am

It has been partially destroyed. ZeroHedge with a good piece on this
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... am-exposed

As we detailed earlier, both sides accuse each other of the attack that puts tens of thousands of homes at risk and might even threaten the safety of Europe's largest nuclear power plant.

However, as Raul Ilargi Meijer writes, twice last year (here and here), Ukrainian officials discussed Kiev's plans to blow up the dam.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:58 pm

We’re pulling out. Trying to pin Nordstream on Ukrainian rogue agents in WaPo. Zelensky is about to retire to Europe and Russia can name terms.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... pened-wapo
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:02 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:58 pm
We’re pulling out. Trying to pin Nordstream on Ukrainian rogue agents in WaPo. Zelensky is about to retire to Europe and Russia can name terms.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... pened-wapo
EXACTLY. If there are any doubters they should look at US history over the last few decades.
There were reports that when Zelensky was in Italy recently he was making arrangements to secure his Italian Villa in the event he had to leave Ukraine.

The Counter Offensive has started, propaganda will be high on both sides. The next meeting of NATO Heads of State and Government will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania on 11-12 July 2023. Just next door. Ukraine will need to show they've made advances against the Orcs by then. It's gonna be an intense month.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:14 am

The only reason we are pulling out is because they are afraid that Trump will win the WH and in doing so, he already promised a cease-fire within 24 hours of him taking office again. They don't want to give him an instant win.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:04 pm

The Conservative wrote:
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The only reason we are pulling out is because they are afraid that Trump will win the WH and in doing so, he already promised a cease-fire within 24 hours of him taking office again. They don't want to give him an instant win.
No, I’d say the upcoming humiliation of sending the equivalent of Ohio’s National Guard against Russia is making them scramble for distance.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:30 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:04 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:14 am
The only reason we are pulling out is because they are afraid that Trump will win the WH and in doing so, he already promised a cease-fire within 24 hours of him taking office again. They don't want to give him an instant win.
No, I’d say the upcoming humiliation of sending the equivalent of Ohio’s National Guard against Russia is making them scramble for distance.
Well they did send the “color guard”

But either way I think for them it's an excuse to get out, without saying their real reason.

They did whatever damage they could and now they are out. My guess with them goes of any proof of the Biden Crime Family, if it wasn't burned on site.
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