Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Haumana]

I really don't understand the full court press going on in this thread. If the Ukrainians are on top and this whole thing is a wrap, why the big sell from the US and Corporate Media? Obvious outcome is obvious. Crack dealers don't typically need to brow beating their customers into buying more crack. Why isn't the advice to just sit back and watch the inevitable play out?

[Hastur]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... t-march-16

Key Takeaways

• Russia is deploying reserves from Armenia and South Ossetia and cohering new battalion tactical groups (BTGs) from the remnants of units lost early in the invasion. These reinforcements will likely face equal or greater command and logistics difficulties to current frontline Russian units.
• President Zelensky created a new joint military-civilian headquarters responsible for the defense of Kyiv on March 15.
• Russian forces conducted several failed attacks northwest of Kyiv and no offensive operations northeast of Kyiv on March 16.
• Russian forces continue to shell civilian areas of Kharkiv, but will be unlikely to force the city to surrender without encircling it—which Russian forces appear unable to achieve.
• Russian forces continued to reduce the Mariupol pocket on March 16. Russian forces continue to commit war crimes in the city, targeting refugees and civilian infrastructure.
• Ukrainian Forces claimed to have killed the commander of the 8th Combined Arms Army’s 150th Motor Rifle Division near Mariupol on March 15. If confirmed, Miyaev would be the fourth Russian general officer killed in Ukraine; his death would be a major blow to the 150th Motor Rifle Division, Russia’s principal maneuver unit in Donbas.
• Russian warships shelled areas of Odesa Oblast on March 16 but Russian Naval Infantry remain unlikely to conduct an unsupported amphibious landing.

[Haumana]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... t-march-16

Key Takeaways

• Russia is deploying reserves from Armenia and South Ossetia and cohering new battalion tactical groups (BTGs) from the remnants of units lost early in the invasion. These reinforcements will likely face equal or greater command and logistics difficulties to current frontline Russian units.
• President Zelensky created a new joint military-civilian headquarters responsible for the defense of Kyiv on March 15.
• Russian forces conducted several failed attacks northwest of Kyiv and no offensive operations northeast of Kyiv on March 16.
• Russian forces continue to shell civilian areas of Kharkiv, but will be unlikely to force the city to surrender without encircling it—which Russian forces appear unable to achieve.
• Russian forces continued to reduce the Mariupol pocket on March 16. Russian forces continue to commit war crimes in the city, targeting refugees and civilian infrastructure.
• Ukrainian Forces claimed to have killed the commander of the 8th Combined Arms Army’s 150th Motor Rifle Division near Mariupol on March 15. If confirmed, Miyaev would be the fourth Russian general officer killed in Ukraine; his death would be a major blow to the 150th Motor Rifle Division, Russia’s principal maneuver unit in Donbas.
• Russian warships shelled areas of Odesa Oblast on March 16 but Russian Naval Infantry remain unlikely to conduct an unsupported amphibious landing.

I appreciate the updates. Who are the people behind these reports? Have you looked into that at all? Just curious.

Down the middle assessments are almost impossible to come by where I am. I have heard diametrically opposed points of view on the same scenarios. Freedom fighters vs. insurgents isn't a storyline that I am unfamiliar with.

PS. Is George Barros a pseudonym for George Sorros? (kidding)

[Hastur]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... t-march-16

Key Takeaways

• Russia is deploying reserves from Armenia and South Ossetia and cohering new battalion tactical groups (BTGs) from the remnants of units lost early in the invasion. These reinforcements will likely face equal or greater command and logistics difficulties to current frontline Russian units.
• President Zelensky created a new joint military-civilian headquarters responsible for the defense of Kyiv on March 15.
• Russian forces conducted several failed attacks northwest of Kyiv and no offensive operations northeast of Kyiv on March 16.
• Russian forces continue to shell civilian areas of Kharkiv, but will be unlikely to force the city to surrender without encircling it—which Russian forces appear unable to achieve.
• Russian forces continued to reduce the Mariupol pocket on March 16. Russian forces continue to commit war crimes in the city, targeting refugees and civilian infrastructure.
• Ukrainian Forces claimed to have killed the commander of the 8th Combined Arms Army’s 150th Motor Rifle Division near Mariupol on March 15. If confirmed, Miyaev would be the fourth Russian general officer killed in Ukraine; his death would be a major blow to the 150th Motor Rifle Division, Russia’s principal maneuver unit in Donbas.
• Russian warships shelled areas of Odesa Oblast on March 16 but Russian Naval Infantry remain unlikely to conduct an unsupported amphibious landing.

I appreciate the updates. Who are the people behind these reports? Have you looked into that at all? Just curious.

Down the middle assessments are almost impossible to come by where I am. I have heard diametrically opposed points of view on the same scenarios. Freedom fighters vs. insurgents isn't a storyline that I am unfamiliar with.

PS. Is George Barros a pseudonym for George Sorros? (kidding)

If you look at the linked page you will find footnotes in the text. Those are links to the sources listed at the bottom of the page.

Finding truth in war is difficult. A don't think this is all true, but a lot of military analysts in Sweden, that I trust, link to this page.

[StCapps]

I really don't understand the full court press going on in this thread. If the Ukrainians are on top and this whole thing is a wrap, why the big sell from the US and Corporate Media? Obvious outcome is obvious. Crack dealers don't typically need to brow beating their customers into buying more crack. Why isn't the advice to just sit back and watch the inevitable play out?

the full court press is not just about Ukraine

it's about the hot Cold War

you don't get it because you think Ukraine is somehow separate from the bigger geopolitical machinations going on

and that the current situation will be easily contained to just Ukraine vs Russia along the current trajectory

and won't drag anyone else in and sprawl

what is happening has huge effects that aren't isolated to just the immediate neighborhood

that's why

[Haumana]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... t-march-16

I appreciate the updates. Who are the people behind these reports? Have you looked into that at all? Just curious.

Down the middle assessments are almost impossible to come by where I am. I have heard diametrically opposed points of view on the same scenarios. Freedom fighters vs. insurgents isn't a storyline that I am unfamiliar with.

PS. Is George Barros a pseudonym for George Sorros? (kidding)

If you look at the linked page you will find footnotes in the text. Those are links to the sources listed at the bottom of the page.

Finding truth in war is difficult. A don't think this is all true, but a lot of military analysts in Sweden, that I trust, link to this page.

Cool. I was just wondering about those at the top of the page that authored the paper. A cursory search on them have them all firmly on one side with a vested interest in the outcome.

Only time will tell who knew what in a situation like this. I'm not discounting their accounting, just trying to get an understanding on the point of view so that I can reevaluate my own.

[Haumana]

I really don't understand the full court press going on in this thread. If the Ukrainians are on top and this whole thing is a wrap, why the big sell from the US and Corporate Media? Obvious outcome is obvious. Crack dealers don't typically need to brow beating their customers into buying more crack. Why isn't the advice to just sit back and watch the inevitable play out?

it's not just about Ukraine

it's about the hot Cold War

you don't get it because you think Ukraine is somehow separate from the bigger geopolitical machinations going on

and that the current situation will be easily contained to just Ukraine vs Russia along the current trajectory

and won't drag anyone else in and sprawl

but that is naive af

wishful thinking is a helluva drug

Meh. If I wanted your opinion I would have just asked Smitty.

Ukraine has this in the bag. There is no bigger anything going on. Russia is losing, who needs to join in a fight on behalf of the side that is winning? What sprawl?

Wishful thinking indeed.

[StCapps]

I really don't understand the full court press going on in this thread. If the Ukrainians are on top and this whole thing is a wrap, why the big sell from the US and Corporate Media? Obvious outcome is obvious. Crack dealers don't typically need to brow beating their customers into buying more crack. Why isn't the advice to just sit back and watch the inevitable play out?

it's not just about Ukraine

it's about the hot Cold War

you don't get it because you think Ukraine is somehow separate from the bigger geopolitical machinations going on

and that the current situation will be easily contained to just Ukraine vs Russia along the current trajectory

and won't drag anyone else in and sprawl

but that is naive af

wishful thinking is a helluva drug

Meh. If I wanted your opinion I would have just asked Smitty.

Ukraine has this in the bag. There is no bigger anything going on. Russia is losing, who needs to join in a fight on behalf of the side that is winning? What sprawl?

Wishful thinking indeed.

Russia invading Ukraine isn't just about Ukraine and never was

it was always about the bigger picture

if you think otherwise

you are misinformed

[Haumana]

Russia invading Ukraine isn't just about Ukraine and never was

it was always about the bigger picture

if you think otherwise

you are misinformed

Oh? Do tell.

All I hear is how Russia is losing their ass. This is their biggest mistake. Ok. So let's just hang back and let them make it. But no, the US is on a global press tour and have already played their economic Ace of spades card which hasn't had the effect that was expected yet.

Again, why the push against an enemy that is impaling themselves?

[StCapps]

Russia invading Ukraine isn't just about Ukraine and never was

it was always about the bigger picture

if you think otherwise

you are misinformed

Oh? Do tell.

All I hear is how Russia is losing their ass. This is their biggest mistake. Ok. So let's just hang back and let them make it. But no, the US is on a global press tour and have already played their economic Ace of spades card which hasn't had the effect that was expected yet.

Again, why the push against an enemy that is impaling themselves?

the Russians impaling themselves makes it much more like they will make mistakes that will cause problems for America

so you have to deter those future mistakes not ignore their escalation and encourage even crazier behavior

the more they are backed into a corner without deterence the more dangerous they become