Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:40 am

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Russin information or Disinformation ?
Russia's Defense Ministry: Materials related to the Crimea-Congo hemorrhagic fever virus study project UP-8 and hantaviruses in Ukraine contradict US public statements that only Ukrainian researchers are active in Pentagon biological laboratories, without the involvement of American biologists.

One document confirms that all serious high-risk studies are conducted under the direct coordination of US specialists, the ministry said.

According to Russian officials, direct payments from the Pentagon for participation in studies are confirmed. The modest amount of salaries is noticeable, according to American criteria - a fact that speaks of the low appreciation of the professionalism of Ukrainian specialists.

The documents contain proposals to expand the US military-biological program on the territory of Ukraine. Thus, evidence of the continuation of the completion of the biological projects UP-2, UP-9, UP-10 was discovered, intended to study the pathogens of anthrax and African swine fever.
hemorrhagic fever is not an effective bio weapon

blood born agent, and kills too fast, so doesn't spread very far

the only reason to have filoviruses like hemorrhagic fever is for BSL4 medical lab, like USAMRID
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:48 am

there are basically three main useful biological weaponized agents

you got your anthrax spores

you got your botulinum bacteria

and you got your smallpox virus
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:48 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:40 am

hemorrhagic fever is not an effective bio weapon

blood born agent, and kills too fast, so doesn't spread very far

the only reason to have filoviruses like hemorrhagic fever is for BSL4 medical lab, like USAMRID
As I said earlier. This may be legit science and not seeking militarization of bioweapons.
It's very clear now, that early media fact checkers were lying and government denials were lies.
The labs are there, well funded and directly supported by the US and US Scientists.

The only question now is WTF was actually going on in the labs, and why is the US and Ukraine so desperate to keep Russia out of them if it's just health research ?

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:52 am

C-Mag wrote:
Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:48 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:40 am

hemorrhagic fever is not an effective bio weapon

blood born agent, and kills too fast, so doesn't spread very far

the only reason to have filoviruses like hemorrhagic fever is for BSL4 medical lab, like USAMRID
As I said earlier. This may be legit science and not seeking militarization of bioweapons.
It's very clear now, that early media fact checkers were lying and government denials were lies.
The labs are there, well funded and directly supported by the US and US Scientists.

The only question now is WTF was actually going on in the labs, and why is the US and Ukraine so desperate to keep Russia out of them if it's just health research ?

I'm going to give America the benefit of the doubt

that we are not making bioweapons in Ukraine and never were

so, moving on
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:54 am

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Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:52 am

I'm going to give America the benefit of the doubt

that we are not making bioweapons in Ukraine and never were

so, moving on
8-) I have no problem with that.

As an American, I cannot let my nation off so easily. Especially with the revelations over the past year of our involvement in the Wuhan Lab that released Corona on the world.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:54 am

And this idea that it's just some minor conflict over yonder..

The NATO border is right there. The Russian army is rampaging right up the NATO border right now. We never actually have been here in this kind of situation before. This is the worst-case scenario already. I don't know what it takes to shake people out of this complacency, but that "end of history" bullshit just ended.

No matter what, once Russia occupies Ukraine with significant force, and the insurgency begins, NATO has to convene. We have to deploy massive troops to Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania. The Polish border is 752 km drive from Kyiv.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:58 am

C-Mag wrote:
Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:54 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:52 am

I'm going to give America the benefit of the doubt

that we are not making bioweapons in Ukraine and never were

so, moving on
8-) I have no problem with that.

As an American, I cannot let my nation off so easily. Especially with the revelations over the past year of our involvement in the Wuhan Lab that released Corona on the world.
moving on

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:02 pm

Like.. once the Ukrainian government falls, and the insurgency begins, you guys realize NATO has to convene, right? That's what Smitty and I are trying to tell you. We are basically at Article 4 right now. Just the Russians seizing Crimea took us to Article 4. When they topple Kyiv and roll up to the border of NATO like this, it's potentially Article 5. Poland and Romania have the right to invoke. They already invoked Article 4 again before the invasion. I am betting they escalate when the Ukrainian government falls. There's no other outcome. He's just going to do it again. He will mass troops on the Romanian or Polish border, and he will do it again.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:10 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:02 pm
Like.. once the Ukrainian government falls, and the insurgency begins, you guys realize NATO has to convene, right? That's what Smitty and I are trying to tell you. We are basically at Article 4 right now. Just the Russians seizing Crimea took us to Article 4. When they topple Kyiv and roll up to the border of NATO like this, it's potentially Article 5. Poland and Romania have the right to invoke. They already invoked Article 4 again before the invasion. I am betting they escalate when the Ukrainian government falls. There's no other outcome. He's just going to do it again. He will mass troops on the Romanian or Polish border, and he will do it again.
Article V is just a fig leaf

America is already at war with the Russian Federation

trying to bring it to its knees by economic warfare

that is embargo

which is an act of war under the Hague Convention

so the ball is in Ivan's hand right now

he is within his rights to retaliate as he sees fit, under the laws of armed conflict, right now

Article V is a not a shield protecting us, that is a delusion
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:19 pm

again, this is exactly what America did to Japan

prompting the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor

Russia has casus belli to make its move any time now

NATO is not standing between us & Russia

that is some kind of delusion that Millennials and the media have convinced themselves of
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