Coronavirus thread

[Speaker to Animals]

What is 1,000,000 / 350,000,000?

Yeah, I still think you are getting some math wrong here.

Do you not understand that only a fraction of the population has been infected? Is that the problem?

I’m not even going that far. I’m simply pointing out that 1 million deaths is relatively nothing for a population of our size - even IF all of them were caused by a novel virus.

Then I prompted you to think about how many of those excess deaths were due to the insane government reaction. (Suicide, cancer, overdose)

Then I provided you the breadcrumbs to explain that insane reaction. The hospital diagnosis incentives. The failed testing regime.

I’m not even flexing on this. Just giving you the opportunity to find out for yourself what’s been done here.

It would be like us fighting WW1 and WW2 back-to-back, twice. It's a very big deal. This is catastrophic.

It's also catastrophic for a bigger reason than the fatalities. The fatalities, as horrific as they are in moral repugnance due to government incompetence and individual moral failures everywhere, really are not the biggest threat to our society. Like I have pointed out several times, the best estimates we have right now are that at at least 10% of the infected are permanently disabled. The majority of the disabled are disabled with long covid, but there also are a significant number of people out there with permanent damage to organs such as hearts, lungs, and kidneys. These people are walking dead and a sad few of them have no idea because they had mild cases or didn't even know they were sick in the first place. We now know that each case comes with significant loss in brain matter. We are literally losing IQ with every wave of this virus. It's devastating our human capital.

We likely have doubled the number of permanently disabled Americans since the pandemic began. I would not be at all surprised if this is one of the significant contributing factors to the labor glut. You also have about 3% of the American population with a compromised immune system. Those of us on the immunocompromised bus are now pretty much isolated into our own society by Biden's recent policy change. That means about 3% more of the labor force was just removed if corporations are hell bent on canceling remote work.

So you have a much smaller fraction of the 2019 labor force that now has to pay for a disabled population that is two or three times larger than the size it was in 2019. And you have a government that has NO PLAN to stop this pandemic from continuing to fucking ravage this country and keep us an absolute embarrassment, to the point where we are the worst-performing nation on this planet. At this point, Africa should send experts here to advise us on how to stop killing each other with covid.

We can't afford this shit, man. Have any of you really thought about how we are going to pay for the disabled? If it wasn't for the fact it could bankrupt our nation, the savage schadenfreude of it alone would be sufficient for me to just sit back and enjoy the show. I mean.. these anti-mask conservative whackos are exactly the kinds of anti-disabled shitbags disabled people have to deal with all the time, and here they are walking around catching covid everywhere, which potentially sets them up for that +10% chance of long covid and lifelong invisible disability status. Do they just hate on themselves at that point, like Clayton Bigsby's? I am curious to find out.

And if you really don't give a shit about society, or your country, or anybody but your own self, I would point out to you that you should consider not just your risk of dying from covid but your risk of lifelong health problems and possible disability. I can tell you from experience that having an invisible disability in American society is not fun. You don't want that, and the risk of getting that from covid is very high compared to the risk of death (which itself is about ten times higher than you were thinking).

[The Conservative]

Yeah, I still think you are getting some math wrong here.

Do you not understand that only a fraction of the population has been infected? Is that the problem?

I’m not even going that far. I’m simply pointing out that 1 million deaths is relatively nothing for a population of our size - even IF all of them were caused by a novel virus.

Then I prompted you to think about how many of those excess deaths were due to the insane government reaction. (Suicide, cancer, overdose)

Then I provided you the breadcrumbs to explain that insane reaction. The hospital diagnosis incentives. The failed testing regime.

I’m not even flexing on this. Just giving you the opportunity to find out for yourself what’s been done here.

It would be like us fighting WW1 and WW2 back-to-back, twice. It's a very big deal. This is catastrophic.

It's also catastrophic for a bigger reason than the fatalities. The fatalities, as horrific as they are in moral repugnance due to government incompetence and individual moral failures everywhere, really are not the biggest threat to our society. Like I have pointed out several times, the best estimates we have right now are that at at least 10% of the infected are permanently disabled. The majority of the disabled are disabled with long covid, but there also are a significant number of people out there with permanent damage to organs such as hearts, lungs, and kidneys. These people are walking dead and a sad few of them have no idea because they had mild cases or didn't even know they were sick in the first place. We now know that each case comes with significant loss in brain matter. We are literally losing IQ with every wave of this virus. It's devastating our human capital.

We likely have doubled the number of permanently disabled Americans since the pandemic began. I would not be at all surprised if this is one of the significant contributing factors to the labor glut. You also have about 3% of the American population with a compromised immune system. Those of us on the immunocompromised bus are now pretty much isolated into our own society by Biden's recent policy change. That means about 3% more of the labor force was just removed if corporations are hell bent on canceling remote work.

So you have a much smaller fraction of the 2019 labor force that now has to pay for a disabled population that is two or three times larger than the size it was in 2019. And you have a government that has NO PLAN to stop this pandemic from continuing to fucking ravage this country and keep us an absolute embarrassment, to the point where we are the worst-performing nation on this planet. At this point, Africa should send experts here to advise us on how to stop killing each other with covid.

We can't afford this shit, man. Have any of you really thought about how we are going to pay for the disabled? If it wasn't for the fact it could bankrupt our nation, the savage schadenfreude of it alone would be sufficient for me to just sit back and enjoy the show. I mean.. these anti-mask conservative whackos are exactly the kinds of anti-disabled shitbags disabled people have to deal with all the time, and here they are walking around catching covid everywhere, which potentially sets them up for that +10% chance of long covid and lifelong invisible disability status. Do they just hate on themselves at that point, like Clayton Bigsby's? I am curious to find out.

And if you really don't give a shit about society, or your country, or anybody but your own self, I would point out to you that you should consider not just your risk of dying from covid but your risk of lifelong health problems and possible disability. I can tell you from experience that having an invisible disability in American society is not fun. You don't want that, and the risk of getting that from covid is very high compared to the risk of death (which itself is about ten times higher than you were thinking).

Wow... a wall of text that says very little new... we have been over this adnausium while you were gone. We hashed all this shit out, and we moved beyond it... perhaps it's time you actually read a few hundred pages of posts to catch up before adding another 200 pages about the same shit again?

We are at a point here where we know exactly where we stand on this, and most of us do care, and if you looked in the past you would have seen some of us fighting for our rights... but instead, you vomited up a wall of text most people will read and wish they got their time back again.

[Speaker to Animals]

I’m not even going that far. I’m simply pointing out that 1 million deaths is relatively nothing for a population of our size - even IF all of them were caused by a novel virus.

Then I prompted you to think about how many of those excess deaths were due to the insane government reaction. (Suicide, cancer, overdose)

Then I provided you the breadcrumbs to explain that insane reaction. The hospital diagnosis incentives. The failed testing regime.

I’m not even flexing on this. Just giving you the opportunity to find out for yourself what’s been done here.

It would be like us fighting WW1 and WW2 back-to-back, twice. It's a very big deal. This is catastrophic.

It's also catastrophic for a bigger reason than the fatalities. The fatalities, as horrific as they are in moral repugnance due to government incompetence and individual moral failures everywhere, really are not the biggest threat to our society. Like I have pointed out several times, the best estimates we have right now are that at at least 10% of the infected are permanently disabled. The majority of the disabled are disabled with long covid, but there also are a significant number of people out there with permanent damage to organs such as hearts, lungs, and kidneys. These people are walking dead and a sad few of them have no idea because they had mild cases or didn't even know they were sick in the first place. We now know that each case comes with significant loss in brain matter. We are literally losing IQ with every wave of this virus. It's devastating our human capital.

We likely have doubled the number of permanently disabled Americans since the pandemic began. I would not be at all surprised if this is one of the significant contributing factors to the labor glut. You also have about 3% of the American population with a compromised immune system. Those of us on the immunocompromised bus are now pretty much isolated into our own society by Biden's recent policy change. That means about 3% more of the labor force was just removed if corporations are hell bent on canceling remote work.

So you have a much smaller fraction of the 2019 labor force that now has to pay for a disabled population that is two or three times larger than the size it was in 2019. And you have a government that has NO PLAN to stop this pandemic from continuing to fucking ravage this country and keep us an absolute embarrassment, to the point where we are the worst-performing nation on this planet. At this point, Africa should send experts here to advise us on how to stop killing each other with covid.

We can't afford this shit, man. Have any of you really thought about how we are going to pay for the disabled? If it wasn't for the fact it could bankrupt our nation, the savage schadenfreude of it alone would be sufficient for me to just sit back and enjoy the show. I mean.. these anti-mask conservative whackos are exactly the kinds of anti-disabled shitbags disabled people have to deal with all the time, and here they are walking around catching covid everywhere, which potentially sets them up for that +10% chance of long covid and lifelong invisible disability status. Do they just hate on themselves at that point, like Clayton Bigsby's? I am curious to find out.

And if you really don't give a shit about society, or your country, or anybody but your own self, I would point out to you that you should consider not just your risk of dying from covid but your risk of lifelong health problems and possible disability. I can tell you from experience that having an invisible disability in American society is not fun. You don't want that, and the risk of getting that from covid is very high compared to the risk of death (which itself is about ten times higher than you were thinking).

Wow... a wall of text that says very little new... we have been over this adnausium while you were gone. We hashed all this shit out, and we moved beyond it... perhaps it's time you actually read a few hundred pages of posts to catch up before adding another 200 pages about the same shit again?

We are at a point here where we know exactly where we stand on this, and most of us do care, and if you looked in the past you would have seen some of us fighting for our rights... but instead, you vomited up a wall of text most people will read and wish they got their time back again.

Why do you reply to a post you don't read and can't understand?

All you ever seem to do is complain about other people who post. Maybe just post your own ideas and run your own program. I don't know. If you don't have any ideas of your own, and if you can't understand what other people actually are writing or be bothered to read what they are writing in the first place, then complaining about their writing just makes you look doubly stupid, you know?

A better tactic might be to just ignore people you don't like and post your own ideas.

[The Conservative]

It would be like us fighting WW1 and WW2 back-to-back, twice. It's a very big deal. This is catastrophic.

It's also catastrophic for a bigger reason than the fatalities. The fatalities, as horrific as they are in moral repugnance due to government incompetence and individual moral failures everywhere, really are not the biggest threat to our society. Like I have pointed out several times, the best estimates we have right now are that at at least 10% of the infected are permanently disabled. The majority of the disabled are disabled with long covid, but there also are a significant number of people out there with permanent damage to organs such as hearts, lungs, and kidneys. These people are walking dead and a sad few of them have no idea because they had mild cases or didn't even know they were sick in the first place. We now know that each case comes with significant loss in brain matter. We are literally losing IQ with every wave of this virus. It's devastating our human capital.

We likely have doubled the number of permanently disabled Americans since the pandemic began. I would not be at all surprised if this is one of the significant contributing factors to the labor glut. You also have about 3% of the American population with a compromised immune system. Those of us on the immunocompromised bus are now pretty much isolated into our own society by Biden's recent policy change. That means about 3% more of the labor force was just removed if corporations are hell bent on canceling remote work.

So you have a much smaller fraction of the 2019 labor force that now has to pay for a disabled population that is two or three times larger than the size it was in 2019. And you have a government that has NO PLAN to stop this pandemic from continuing to fucking ravage this country and keep us an absolute embarrassment, to the point where we are the worst-performing nation on this planet. At this point, Africa should send experts here to advise us on how to stop killing each other with covid.

We can't afford this shit, man. Have any of you really thought about how we are going to pay for the disabled? If it wasn't for the fact it could bankrupt our nation, the savage schadenfreude of it alone would be sufficient for me to just sit back and enjoy the show. I mean.. these anti-mask conservative whackos are exactly the kinds of anti-disabled shitbags disabled people have to deal with all the time, and here they are walking around catching covid everywhere, which potentially sets them up for that +10% chance of long covid and lifelong invisible disability status. Do they just hate on themselves at that point, like Clayton Bigsby's? I am curious to find out.

And if you really don't give a shit about society, or your country, or anybody but your own self, I would point out to you that you should consider not just your risk of dying from covid but your risk of lifelong health problems and possible disability. I can tell you from experience that having an invisible disability in American society is not fun. You don't want that, and the risk of getting that from covid is very high compared to the risk of death (which itself is about ten times higher than you were thinking).

Wow... a wall of text that says very little new... we have been over this adnausium while you were gone. We hashed all this shit out, and we moved beyond it... perhaps it's time you actually read a few hundred pages of posts to catch up before adding another 200 pages about the same shit again?

We are at a point here where we know exactly where we stand on this, and most of us do care, and if you looked in the past you would have seen some of us fighting for our rights... but instead, you vomited up a wall of text most people will read and wish they got their time back again.

Why do you reply to a post you don't read and can't understand?

All you ever seem to do is complain about other people who post. Maybe just post your own ideas and run your own program. I don't know. If you don't have any ideas of your own, and if you can't understand what other people actually are writing or be bothered to read what they are writing in the first place, then complaining about their writing just makes you look doubly stupid, you know?

A better tactic might be to just ignore people you don't like and post your own ideas.

Or better yet, you may actually take my advice there are 700 pages (where about 200 to 300 of them you were not part of) that went through a ton of the shit you just posted.

Perhaps it's time for you to read instead of posting a wot?

[Speaker to Animals]

Wow... a wall of text that says very little new... we have been over this adnausium while you were gone. We hashed all this shit out, and we moved beyond it... perhaps it's time you actually read a few hundred pages of posts to catch up before adding another 200 pages about the same shit again?

We are at a point here where we know exactly where we stand on this, and most of us do care, and if you looked in the past you would have seen some of us fighting for our rights... but instead, you vomited up a wall of text most people will read and wish they got their time back again.

Why do you reply to a post you don't read and can't understand?

All you ever seem to do is complain about other people who post. Maybe just post your own ideas and run your own program. I don't know. If you don't have any ideas of your own, and if you can't understand what other people actually are writing or be bothered to read what they are writing in the first place, then complaining about their writing just makes you look doubly stupid, you know?

A better tactic might be to just ignore people you don't like and post your own ideas.

Or better yet, you may actually take my advice there are 700 pages (where about 200 to 300 of them you were not part of) that went through a ton of the shit you just posted.

Perhaps it's time for you to read instead of posting a wot?

So I guess your shtick is just to bitch at people who wander in here from time-to-time. What do you do when the intelligent people leave again and there are only like three people left?

I am starting to think your posts say you are super angry that Smitty and Speaker to Animals are here, but really you are super happy because now you have something to post.

[The Conservative]

Why do you reply to a post you don't read and can't understand?

All you ever seem to do is complain about other people who post. Maybe just post your own ideas and run your own program. I don't know. If you don't have any ideas of your own, and if you can't understand what other people actually are writing or be bothered to read what they are writing in the first place, then complaining about their writing just makes you look doubly stupid, you know?

A better tactic might be to just ignore people you don't like and post your own ideas.

Or better yet, you may actually take my advice there are 700 pages (where about 200 to 300 of them you were not part of) that went through a ton of the shit you just posted.

Perhaps it's time for you to read instead of posting a wot?

So I guess your shtick is just to bitch at people who wander in here from time-to-time. What do you do when the intelligent people leave again and there are only like three people left?

Unless you've noticed people only tolerate that for so long.

My tolerance is zero, only because if you are going to put yourself in the middle of an obviously well-posted topic, perhaps you should play catch up instead of regurgitating things we did 200+ pages ago.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Yeah, I still think you are getting some math wrong here.

Do you not understand that only a fraction of the population has been infected? Is that the problem?

I’m not even going that far. I’m simply pointing out that 1 million deaths is relatively nothing for a population of our size - even IF all of them were caused by a novel virus.

Then I prompted you to think about how many of those excess deaths were due to the insane government reaction. (Suicide, cancer, overdose)

Then I provided you the breadcrumbs to explain that insane reaction. The hospital diagnosis incentives. The failed testing regime.

I’m not even flexing on this. Just giving you the opportunity to find out for yourself what’s been done here.

It would be like us fighting WW1 and WW2 back-to-back, twice. It's a very big deal. This is catastrophic.

It is indeed catastrophic. But I don’t blame much of it on the virus.

It's also catastrophic for a bigger reason than the fatalities. The fatalities, as horrific as they are in moral repugnance due to government incompetence and individual moral failures everywhere, really are not the biggest threat to our society. Like I have pointed out several times, the best estimates we have right now are that at at least 10% of the infected are permanently disabled. The majority of the disabled are disabled with long covid, but there also are a significant number of people out there with permanent damage to organs such as hearts, lungs, and kidneys. These people are walking dead and a sad few of them have no idea because they had mild cases or didn't even know they were sick in the first place. We now know that each case comes with significant loss in brain matter. We are literally losing IQ with every wave of this virus. It's devastating our human capital.

Gonna need some sources there. As pointed out, the number of infected is completely unknown. The initia testing they rolled out detected Covid in nearly 100% of samples taken.

We likely have doubled the number of permanently disabled Americans since the pandemic began. I would not be at all surprised if this is one of the significant contributing factors to the labor glut. You also have about 3% of the American population with a compromised immune system. Those of us on the immunocompromised bus are now pretty much isolated into our own society by Biden's recent policy change. That means about 3% more of the labor force was just removed if corporations are hell bent on canceling remote work.

So you have a much smaller fraction of the 2019 labor force that now has to pay for a disabled population that is two or three times larger than the size it was in 2019. And you have a government that has NO PLAN to stop this pandemic from continuing to fucking ravage this country and keep us an absolute embarrassment, to the point where we are the worst-performing nation on this planet. At this point, Africa should send experts here to advise us on how to stop killing each other with covid.

We can't afford this shit, man. Have any of you really thought about how we are going to pay for the disabled? If it wasn't for the fact it could bankrupt our nation, the savage schadenfreude of it alone would be sufficient for me to just sit back and enjoy the show. I mean.. these anti-mask conservative whackos are exactly the kinds of anti-disabled shitbags disabled people have to deal with all the time, and here they are walking around catching covid everywhere, which potentially sets them up for that +10% chance of long covid and lifelong invisible disability status. Do they just hate on themselves at that point, like Clayton Bigsby's? I am curious to find out.

Too late for that. We’re going bankrupt regardless.
Still not clear on what you think would stop this. We literally stopped the economy and it had no effect. Vaccine shots reduce hospitalization, that’s about it.

And if you really don't give a shit about society, or your country, or anybody but your own self, I would point out to you that you should consider not just your risk of dying from covid but your risk of lifelong health problems and possible disability. I can tell you from experience that having an invisible disability in American society is not fun. You don't want that, and the risk of getting that from covid is very high compared to the risk of death (which itself is about ten times higher than you were thinking).

I’m considering the 3% chance of disability from the shots. Which again, DO NOT PREVENT TRANSMISSION.

[Haumana]

Yeoman's work. I was gonna but couldn't summon the energy.

[kybkh]

Only way to stop a WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC, is to prevent any and all immigration. New Zealand can't even fucking do it, how the hell we gonna do it?

Notice how all the variants coming from places not within the US?

[Speaker to Animals]

I’m not even going that far. I’m simply pointing out that 1 million deaths is relatively nothing for a population of our size - even IF all of them were caused by a novel virus.

Then I prompted you to think about how many of those excess deaths were due to the insane government reaction. (Suicide, cancer, overdose)

Then I provided you the breadcrumbs to explain that insane reaction. The hospital diagnosis incentives. The failed testing regime.

I’m not even flexing on this. Just giving you the opportunity to find out for yourself what’s been done here.

It would be like us fighting WW1 and WW2 back-to-back, twice. It's a very big deal. This is catastrophic.

It is indeed catastrophic. But I don’t blame much of it on the virus.

It's also catastrophic for a bigger reason than the fatalities. The fatalities, as horrific as they are in moral repugnance due to government incompetence and individual moral failures everywhere, really are not the biggest threat to our society. Like I have pointed out several times, the best estimates we have right now are that at at least 10% of the infected are permanently disabled. The majority of the disabled are disabled with long covid, but there also are a significant number of people out there with permanent damage to organs such as hearts, lungs, and kidneys. These people are walking dead and a sad few of them have no idea because they had mild cases or didn't even know they were sick in the first place. We now know that each case comes with significant loss in brain matter. We are literally losing IQ with every wave of this virus. It's devastating our human capital.

Gonna need some sources there. As pointed out, the number of infected is completely unknown. The initia testing they rolled out detected Covid in nearly 100% of samples taken.

We likely have doubled the number of permanently disabled Americans since the pandemic began. I would not be at all surprised if this is one of the significant contributing factors to the labor glut. You also have about 3% of the American population with a compromised immune system. Those of us on the immunocompromised bus are now pretty much isolated into our own society by Biden's recent policy change. That means about 3% more of the labor force was just removed if corporations are hell bent on canceling remote work.

So you have a much smaller fraction of the 2019 labor force that now has to pay for a disabled population that is two or three times larger than the size it was in 2019. And you have a government that has NO PLAN to stop this pandemic from continuing to fucking ravage this country and keep us an absolute embarrassment, to the point where we are the worst-performing nation on this planet. At this point, Africa should send experts here to advise us on how to stop killing each other with covid.

We can't afford this shit, man. Have any of you really thought about how we are going to pay for the disabled? If it wasn't for the fact it could bankrupt our nation, the savage schadenfreude of it alone would be sufficient for me to just sit back and enjoy the show. I mean.. these anti-mask conservative whackos are exactly the kinds of anti-disabled shitbags disabled people have to deal with all the time, and here they are walking around catching covid everywhere, which potentially sets them up for that +10% chance of long covid and lifelong invisible disability status. Do they just hate on themselves at that point, like Clayton Bigsby's? I am curious to find out.

Too late for that. We’re going bankrupt regardless.
Still not clear on what you think would stop this. We literally stopped the economy and it had no effect. Vaccine shots reduce hospitalization, that’s about it.

And if you really don't give a shit about society, or your country, or anybody but your own self, I would point out to you that you should consider not just your risk of dying from covid but your risk of lifelong health problems and possible disability. I can tell you from experience that having an invisible disability in American society is not fun. You don't want that, and the risk of getting that from covid is very high compared to the risk of death (which itself is about ten times higher than you were thinking).

I’m considering the 3% chance of disability from the shots. Which again, DO NOT PREVENT TRANSMISSION.

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Scientific American had a good run down on fucking awful the "Disability Tsunami" already is going to be. We need to stop it from getting any bigger.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... vid-rsquo/

This is very well documented problem.

(2)

We are better off than pretty much every other country on this planet. The whole planet if fucked because of global capitalism, but we are best positioned to come out way ahead. It's not all doom and gloom. We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot, however, and that means to stop elected truly stupid people to office and maybe to stop coughing on one another and dying like total fucking morons. The financial and monetary situation might not be that bad relative to everybody else. Let's just not make it worse, okay?


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Fuck the God damned vaccines. I don't care. Stop fucking bitching about them. You don't have to take them and they aren't going to stop the pandemic. If you already have cellular-mediated immunity from prior infection, then your chances of fucking up the ICU with covid at this point is low. Don't bitch at me about the vaccines when it has fuck all to do with what I said to you. Covid is a big problem for us. Just catching that virus is a big risk and the vaccines obviously aren't going to stop you from catching it.

We need to think about eradicating it. There are very intelligent people in this country. Unfortunately, the pandemic response got hijacked by Wall Street. The vaccine-only response became the default thing and we have lost a million Americans because of this. I am not pushing any specific strategy here. I am saying we need to come up with a viable strategy to eliminate this God damned virus before a variant emerges that kills a lot of people and causes a real societal collapse.