Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Haumana]

they have their agenda, I have mine, if they intersect, so be it

If Hillary is going to give the Ukrainians more Javelin missiles, by all means, let's ramp that up

doesn't mean I am going to vote for the Democrats

in terms of Trudeau, I agree with his policies where they comport with my agenda

one thing was legal weed, the other was getting out of Iraq

in terms of Neoconservative, I have been a Neoconservative all along, I don't deny it

Reaganite / Thatcherite, since 1980

Oh. Noted.

[Haumana]

doesn't mean they are wrong about everything

when they are right, they are right

Oh? Water is wet except when it is frozen.


Deep. Thanks for the input.

Why are you even chiming in? You have added nothing.

[Smitty-48]

does Hitler drinking water

give you pause about drinking water?

it doesn't give me pause about it

I don't let identity politics determine my views

Yip Yip, indeed. Who was talking to you anyway?

Fucking Hitler... Did he fart.. oh you fart, you must be Hitler. Ghen.

just because the neocons are wrong about lots of things

doesn't mean they are wrong about everything

when they are right, they are right

Neoconservative is not a monolith

it's really just Democrats who flipped to the Republicans

because the Democrats went soft on Communism

hence why Reagan got along with Tip O'Neill, and so they raised taxes and spent like a drunken sailors

Reagan was a New Dealer Democrat first

[StCapps]

doesn't mean they are wrong about everything

when they are right, they are right

Oh? Water is wet except when it is frozen.


Deep. Thanks for the input.

Why are you even chiming in? You have added nothing.

you were invoking a siding with the "wrong team" should give one pause narrative

that's why I am chiming in

to dispel this identity politics should determine one's views position

[Haumana]

doesn't mean they are wrong about everything

when they are right, they are right

Oh? Water is wet except when it is frozen.


Deep. Thanks for the input.

Why are you even chiming in? You have added nothing.

you were invoking a siding with the "wrong team" should give one pause narrative

that's why I am chiming in

Oh.

But you didn't notice that it was Smitty that introduced the "wrong team" narrative? Or were you trying to so take exception with the call to pause because now that is the mainstream narrative? Suddenly you two , and I say two loosley because it is really a party of one plus one, have the popular thoughts on a matter? Let's get Dan Carlin on the horn!
.

[Smitty-48]

my point is quite simple

Putin has started a war which has changed the world

everything is now going to divide into two camps

you can try to have a foot in both camps as you like

I don't feel the need,

the Russians have launched an aggressive war and have directly threatened us with thermonuclear war

so I don't have any compunction about identifying them as the enemy,

formally, by the Hague Convention definition

but if someone else wants to try to keep a foot in the Kremlin camp ?

that's not my problem, I am only opposing Russian military forces, it's not a personal grudge

If I call you a Useful Idiot, that's a technical term, political term of art, not an insult per se

[StCapps]

Oh? Water is wet except when it is frozen.


Deep. Thanks for the input.

Why are you even chiming in? You have added nothing.

you were invoking a siding with the "wrong team" should give one pause narrative

that's why I am chiming in

Oh.

But you didn't notice that it was Smitty that introduced the "wrong team" narrative? Or were you trying to so take exception with the call to pause because now that is the mainstream narrative? Suddenly you two , and I say two loosley because it is really a party of one plus one, have the popular thoughts on a matter? Let's get Dan Carlin on the horn!
.

popularity isn't relevant in determining what is correct

argument ad populum

attacking the messengers to discredit the message

ad hominem

how popular a narrative is or who is pushing the narrative

is not relevant in how truthful a narrative is

[Smitty-48]

popularity isn't relevant in determining what is correct

realpolitik tho

being apologists for the Russians is not going to be a popular position in a Cold War with the Russians

the binary world has just returned

we are all going to have to choose which side of the new iron curtain we are going to live on

but like the Russian prisoners of war in Ukraine don't even want to be sent back to Russia

so I can't see many people jumping over the wall to defect to the Kremlin side

maybe C-Mag will, who knows ?

[Haumana]

my point is quite simple

Putin has started a war which has changed the world

everything is now going to divide into two camps

you can try to have a foot in both camps as you like

I don't feel the need,

the Russians have launched an aggressive war and have directly threatened us with thermonuclear war

so I don't have any compunction about identifying them as the enemy,

formally, by the Hague Convention definition

but if someone else wants to try to keep a foot in the Kremlin camp ?

that's not my problem, I am only opposing Russian military forces, it's not a personal grudge

Oh.

I guess we disregard all attempts at trying to woo Ukraine into NATO and the EU I guess we disregarded the Maiden overthrow or whatever that revolution color that it was given. *shrug. I guess we ignore every warning that was ever given since 2014. I guess we ignore the possibility of Ukraine obtaining Nukes, by your own admission. If this any of this was happening in Mexico or Canada, the the US would totally tolerate this behavior. You are so right.

Again if this is such a done deal, why the concessions?

Call me Kremlin if you must might as well call me a Nazi or a White Supremist. That you have adopted the language of your captors is weird. You have descended into classifying people as the other. A or B. Oh, but this time you and Capps are right to do so..... Ok.

Have either of you actually played out the scenario where you are wrong? What's that look like?

[StCapps]

popularity isn't relevant in determining what is correct

realpolitik tho

being apologists for the Russians is not going to be a popular position in a Cold War with the Russians

the binary world has just returned

we are all going to have to choose which side of the new iron curtain we are going to live on

but like the Russian prisoners of war in Ukraine don't even want to be sent back to Russia

so I can't see many people jumping over the wall to defect to the Kremlin side

maybe C-Mag will, who knows ?

indeed

even the media declared puppet of Putin

the Bad Orange Man

is throwing him under the bus

he knows which way the political winds are blowing