Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:00 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:59 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:52 pm
"ZOMG Ukrainian Biolabs"

is like Ivan Rumsfeld "WMD"

for Dick Putin

just saying
:lol:

Hey, the propaganda war is better than the real war.
Dick Putin

a meme is born

just saying
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:04 pm

seriously tho

this whole operation seems like it was planned by Ivan Rumsfeld for Dick Putin

sure, the 2003 Pentagon couldn't screw anything up this badly

but this is the Russian version
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:11 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:32 pm
Zelensky has stuck to it better than most puppets.

On this Biolab issue. It very well could be that we are funding it, and the Ukrainians are running it and doing their shit without Washington DC knowing.

Fact is Russia has accused the Ukraine and US of a violation of Article 1 of the UN Charter.

If Russia is lying, this is really easy to expose and the Ukraine and US should do so Immediately, Aggressively and Publicly. It will further make the case against Russia.
When were the biolabs meant to be destroyed originally?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:19 pm

The Conservative wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:11 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:32 pm
Zelensky has stuck to it better than most puppets.

On this Biolab issue. It very well could be that we are funding it, and the Ukrainians are running it and doing their shit without Washington DC knowing.

Fact is Russia has accused the Ukraine and US of a violation of Article 1 of the UN Charter.

If Russia is lying, this is really easy to expose and the Ukraine and US should do so Immediately, Aggressively and Publicly. It will further make the case against Russia.
When were the biolabs meant to be destroyed originally?
The biolabs weren't meant to be destroyed. The biolabs by agreement with Russia, were funded by the US to destroy Old Soviet Biological Agents in the Ukraine. That program has been running for 17 years.

So the question is simple, if you destroyed all the old Soviet stuff, show the records.
If you haven't, why not ?
If there are agent Ukrainian Biolabs that were not old Soviet Stock, WTF is going on ?

So this can end easily and show Putin to be lying simply by dropping the records. That's all you have to do.

Here's the Reuters article on it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-de ... 022-03-09/
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:21 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:04 pm
seriously tho

this whole operation seems like it was planned by Ivan Rumsfeld for Dick Putin

sure, the 2003 Pentagon couldn't screw anything up this badly

but this is the Russian version
Hey, we are pacesetters.
Often imitated, never duplicated.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:27 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:19 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:11 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:32 pm
Zelensky has stuck to it better than most puppets.

On this Biolab issue. It very well could be that we are funding it, and the Ukrainians are running it and doing their shit without Washington DC knowing.

Fact is Russia has accused the Ukraine and US of a violation of Article 1 of the UN Charter.

If Russia is lying, this is really easy to expose and the Ukraine and US should do so Immediately, Aggressively and Publicly. It will further make the case against Russia.
When were the biolabs meant to be destroyed originally?
The biolabs weren't meant to be destroyed. The biolabs by agreement with Russia, were funded by the US to destroy Old Soviet Biological Agents in the Ukraine. That program has been running for 17 years.

So the question is simple, if you destroyed all the old Soviet stuff, show the records.
If you haven't, why not ?
If there are agent Ukrainian Biolabs that were not old Soviet Stock, WTF is going on ?

So this can end easily and show Putin to be lying simply by dropping the records. That's all you have to do.

Here's the Reuters article on it.
https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-de ... 022-03-09/
I asked for a reason, and if you noticed, Bush Sr. was as much in the right place at the right time to live by a bad situation, otherwise, he would have probably been a terrible president outright (honestly I never voted for him, I thought he was an idiot) He allowed this country to become what it is by putting in place things and entities that restricted our freedoms even more than constitutionally really should have been allowed.

That being said, I agree with most of what you said, I am wondering even if the US were paying to keep these systems up and running, why? After a decade all of the pathogens, etc should have been safely destroyed. Do we have a timeline on what was going on with them or no? Because if we had been supporting them outright even after they no longer hold their original use, I am wondering who authorized that and when... because I believe if we can find out when they went from their original purpose to whatever they are doing now, it may lead to answers.

Oh, also, I am more curious about is this a "Wag the Dog" situation with Putin you think?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:28 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:21 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:04 pm
seriously tho

this whole operation seems like it was planned by Ivan Rumsfeld for Dick Putin

sure, the 2003 Pentagon couldn't screw anything up this badly

but this is the Russian version
Hey, we are pacesetters.
Often imitated, never duplicated.
exactly

the Russians can't pull it off

they are getting their asses handed to them

because they don't have the quality of personnel, neither at the tactical nor the staff level
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:34 pm

The Conservative wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:27 pm
I asked for a reason, and if you noticed, Bush Sr. was as much in the right place at the right time to live by a bad situation, otherwise, he would have probably been a terrible president outright (honestly I never voted for him, I thought he was an idiot) He allowed this country to become what it is by putting in place things and entities that restricted our freedoms even more than constitutionally really should have been allowed.

That being said, I agree with most of what you said, I am wondering even if the US were paying to keep these systems up and running, why? After a decade all of the pathogens, etc should have been safely destroyed. Do we have a timeline on what was going on with them or no? Because if we had been supporting them outright even after they no longer hold their original use, I am wondering who authorized that and when... because I believe if we can find out when they went from their original purpose to whatever they are doing now, it may lead to answers.

Oh, also, I am more curious about is this a "Wag the Dog" situation with Putin you think?
Realistically, there is not chance we are not leading bioweapon research in the world. If for no other reason, to have defenses against bioweapon attacks.

We didn't stop torturing people after Abu Grab, we just moved it to dark sites in 3rd world countries. That's how Empire works. We have a lot of people willing to do awful things for the Empire. Denying that is silly. I personally denied it for a long time, but I can no longer.

Now, were we doing it in the Ukraine ? I don't know.
It's entirely possible we are innocent in this and Ukraine is too. It's also possible we are innocent and a few radical scientists in the Ukraine are going off script. Who knows.

Let's find out.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:41 pm

like never mind the conscripts

at the operational level, at the staff planning level, this operation is a complete fiasco

this makes the Iraq War look like Normandy Beach

what are the Russians even doing ?

they don't even know

it appears to be two separate operations going on in isolation

the operation in the north running counterproductive to the operation in the south

and neither operation grounded in any clear objective,

and as such both appear to be untenable in their own right
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:42 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 4:41 pm

at the operational level, at the staff planning level, this operation is a complete fiasco
It sure looks like it.
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