this is getting so deep into the weeds
there is no reference point
Turkey blockading the Bosporus
while Russia is backs against a wall in a shooting war for all the marbles ?
uncharted waters
no idea
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again tho
five days into this
and it is completely uncharted
that is a de facto indication that the Hegemony itself has collapsed
Hegemony is predictable
when you have no idea what is going to happen ?
there is no Hegemony in effect at that point
five days into this
and it is completely uncharted
that is a de facto indication that the Hegemony itself has collapsed
Hegemony is predictable
when you have no idea what is going to happen ?
there is no Hegemony in effect at that point
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Bullshit. Stop being so melodramatic and washy.Smitty-48 wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:38 pm again tho
five days into this
and it is completely uncharted
that is a de facto indication that the Hegemony itself has collapsed
Hegemony is predictable
when you have no idea what is going to happen ?
there is no Hegemony in effect at that point
You supposedly we're military, use that brain you supposedly have and figure out the next steps.
This isn't rocket science this is the base foundation of man. Taking territory for the needs of another.
Putin is attempting to take Ukraine because it is of strategic import to him, oil transport and food, both something the Ukraine known for.
Putin invaded under the pretense of doing the right thing and instead of stopping where he should have he overplayed his hand and went for the throat. He decided to go for Kiev and take back Ukraine for Russia. they lost it during the Iron Curtain fall, what would happen if he got it back for Russia. Putin would be a hero to the old guard.
Putin thought the Ukranian president was soft, that he wouldn't put up a fight. Except he has, he resent laws under emergency acts and gave civilians weapons.
On top of that Great Britain and other countries since the beginning of the Biden admin have been giving Ukraine weapons for a “just in case measure.”
Because of this, Putin's hope of a few day war has cost him tens of billions, and over-extended fuel chain and more losses than he had hoped.
What are his next steps?
Well he pulled out the nuclear threat card in hope to make the enemy stand down. So far they have called his bluff.
Iran, amazingly decided to get involved and protect the oceans from Russia’s fleet on the water.
So what happens now?
Putin has multiple choices, each are going to cost him hundreds of billions in the long run.
1. Continue the course, bring more troops in, properly strengthen the resource convoys and make Ukraine bleed for every inch of the street they want to keep.
2. Escalate and bring in airplanes to drop bombs, do a WWII tactic, and scorch earth Kiev and the surrounding areas. Drop pamphlets between bombings saying it's useless to resist. Blast speakers say the same thing on tanks as they stroll down the roads. Psychological warfare.
If this doesn't work after a few weeks, go through with your promise, drop a nuke on Chernobyl and say the next will be on Kiev if there is no surrender in 24 hours. If Ukraine doesn't surrender, the bomb is dropped and the world realizes that Russia is now a nuclear-powered version of Nazi Germany... And we are no longer in a cold war.
3. Back down and backing out now will mean he is seen as a weak and incompetent leader, which will mean more problems at home.
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lolThe Conservative wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:09 pm
Bullshit. Stop being so melodramatic and washy.
You supposedly we're military,
you are the guy who claimed you were selected as a sniper right out of basic training
so pardon me while I don't put any stock in your military bona fides /shrugs
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
in actual fact, it's not even a military issue
the Pax Americana was not a military Hegemony
the Soviets were the military Hegemon, a giant army fueled by oil and not much else
hence why the couldn't break out of George Kennan's Containment
the American Hegemony, the Pax Americana, was a financial Hegemony
King Dollar ruled the waves
so the collapse of the American Hegemony is all about debt
the lender of last resort nation is the Global Hegemon,
a debtor nation, like Britain before America, cannot sustain Hegemony
the Pax Americana was not a military Hegemony
the Soviets were the military Hegemon, a giant army fueled by oil and not much else
hence why the couldn't break out of George Kennan's Containment
the American Hegemony, the Pax Americana, was a financial Hegemony
King Dollar ruled the waves
so the collapse of the American Hegemony is all about debt
the lender of last resort nation is the Global Hegemon,
a debtor nation, like Britain before America, cannot sustain Hegemony
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this is not to say that China, nor the EU, nor anybody else is the Global Hegemon neither
because everybody is deep in debt, including China now
so there is no lender of last resort nation
there is no Hegemon
that is how this is like 1939
in the Depression, there was no Hegemon then neither, after Wall Street collapsed
because everybody is deep in debt, including China now
so there is no lender of last resort nation
there is no Hegemon
that is how this is like 1939
in the Depression, there was no Hegemon then neither, after Wall Street collapsed
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
don't forget
the Washington Treaty doesn't actually stipulate that a NATO member has to contribute anything specific
even if Article V is invoked, it doesn't stipulate what any member has to contribute
so like America is the only country to ever Invoke Article V, for Afghanistan
what did NATO actually provide ?
not that much
so just invoking Article V has already been proven to be underwhelming in terms of effects
the public is vastly overrating Article V as being something that is actually preventing anything
the Washington Treaty doesn't actually stipulate that a NATO member has to contribute anything specific
even if Article V is invoked, it doesn't stipulate what any member has to contribute
so like America is the only country to ever Invoke Article V, for Afghanistan
what did NATO actually provide ?
not that much
so just invoking Article V has already been proven to be underwhelming in terms of effects
the public is vastly overrating Article V as being something that is actually preventing anything
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
Are you talking about the Washington Consensus?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
back in 1939, Britain & France were the NATO of the day
the Entente Cordiale
so first they couldn't contain Hitler without invoking Entente Article V
then when Hitler invaded Poland on 1 September 1939
Britain & France invoked Entente Article V
and nothing happened
it was a big nothing burger
I would expect the same thing now, if anybody in NATO tries to invoke it
the Entente Cordiale
so first they couldn't contain Hitler without invoking Entente Article V
then when Hitler invaded Poland on 1 September 1939
Britain & France invoked Entente Article V
and nothing happened
it was a big nothing burger
I would expect the same thing now, if anybody in NATO tries to invoke it
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
no
the actual North Atlantic Treaty is called the Washington Treaty
NATO Article V is the fifth article of the Washington Treaty
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