Healthcare is expensive because....

[Martin Hash]

Here's my smart ass reply to all of this socialized health care bullshit.......


Real Communism just hasn't been tried yet.

Obamacare is a combination of Socialism & Fascism, both can point fingers at the other.

[The Conservative]

Here's my smart ass reply to all of this socialized health care bullshit.......


Real Communism just hasn't been tried yet.

I have no issue with health care, what I have is the issue of demanding everyone get it and limiting people to only get shitty care...Romney Care wasn't a demand for everyone to get health care either, it was "if you wanted it"... it was still a free option to get health care, what they restricted was the amount of money that can be charged. This forced health providers to keep the costs down, which meant that health insurance cost less too.

Listen, Mass is one of the most expensive places in the US to live. Mass' cost of living is about 150% over the national average...when the cost of services are allowed to balloon to an extreme, the insurances to cover those costs are going to increase too, especially when the government holds the purse.

[C-Mag]

Did the good people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts have the option of not paying the taxes that supported Romney care. ?

[The Conservative]

Did the good people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts have the option of not paying the taxes that supported Romney care. ?

Under Romney Care we also passed a vote that reduced our state tax to 5%... the congress of Mass, ignored the will of the people and our taxes are still where they were before the vote.

There were no taxes required to pay for "Romney Care" it was a law that dictated that insurance companies if they want to do business in Mass would give proper health insurance, and also the providers would not be allowed to increase the fees or percentages beyond a reasonable level. They also made it so that the insurance companies themselves would have to either keep the insurance increase between a minimum amount or have to show proof of the reason for the increase.

This all stopped the minute ObamaCare came into effect, and my insurance has increased by a magnitude that is unreasonable because there are no limiters in the law. As I said, what we see now, was what was going to happen.

[TheOneX]

Half measures never workout, and that is what Obamacare is. The problem with using insurance to pay for general healthcare is that is obscures the prices. Without being able to see the actual cost normal market forces cannot act. There are only two ways to bring down the cost of healthcare, abolish insurance for anything except emergencies (i.e. how insurance works for everything else), or go to a fully governmental system. Option 1 allows market forces to work to lower the price. Option 2 allows the government, as the only healthcare customer, to dictate costs to health providers (effectively unionization). Anything in-between, and you give all the power to the insurance companies and health care providers. Healthcare is like energy, it is a requirement, people will pay whatever the cost. When that is the case you either have to go full free market or heavily regulated monopoly.

This is where most people are missing the point...There is a third option.

Allow the open market to provide insurance to the people, but if you want to control the cost, you don't go looking at the cost of insurance without looking at the reason behind the cost. This is because of the health care providers. When they are allowed to push 500% profit on top of actual services, we need to ask, who really is at fault here?

If you don't get state or federal demands that entities can't charge more than a specific percentage to make a "justified profit" (IE: Paying employees, keeping a roof over your head, paying bills, and making enough for retirement) then so be it. But there is no justification of increasing 200 to 500%... not when they have a rotation of people walking in and out of hospitals at a rate that would make whore houses blush...

The cost on insurance was never the problem it was the fact that now it's backed by the government and those charging insurance understand that the bill will always be paid... so why worry about costs?

The reason Romney Care worked is there was a limitation of percentage over actual cost that the state was willing to cover. So that meant that the percentage would have to be covered elsewhere, and the people were not going to tollerate that... so, in turn the cost dropped and everyone was "happy"....

Each option can take several different forms, you are just describing one particular form of option 2.

[The Conservative]

Half measures never workout, and that is what Obamacare is. The problem with using insurance to pay for general healthcare is that is obscures the prices. Without being able to see the actual cost normal market forces cannot act. There are only two ways to bring down the cost of healthcare, abolish insurance for anything except emergencies (i.e. how insurance works for everything else), or go to a fully governmental system. Option 1 allows market forces to work to lower the price. Option 2 allows the government, as the only healthcare customer, to dictate costs to health providers (effectively unionization). Anything in-between, and you give all the power to the insurance companies and health care providers. Healthcare is like energy, it is a requirement, people will pay whatever the cost. When that is the case you either have to go full free market or heavily regulated monopoly.

This is where most people are missing the point...There is a third option.

Allow the open market to provide insurance to the people, but if you want to control the cost, you don't go looking at the cost of insurance without looking at the reason behind the cost. This is because of the health care providers. When they are allowed to push 500% profit on top of actual services, we need to ask, who really is at fault here?

If you don't get state or federal demands that entities can't charge more than a specific percentage to make a "justified profit" (IE: Paying employees, keeping a roof over your head, paying bills, and making enough for retirement) then so be it. But there is no justification of increasing 200 to 500%... not when they have a rotation of people walking in and out of hospitals at a rate that would make whore houses blush...

The cost on insurance was never the problem it was the fact that now it's backed by the government and those charging insurance understand that the bill will always be paid... so why worry about costs?

The reason Romney Care worked is there was a limitation of percentage over actual cost that the state was willing to cover. So that meant that the percentage would have to be covered elsewhere, and the people were not going to tollerate that... so, in turn the cost dropped and everyone was "happy"....

Each option can take several different forms, you are just describing one particular form of option 2.

Except the people were the customer, the government did what it was meant to do... protect people from abuses.