Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by C-Mag » Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:20 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:15 am

If you were supplying the catering trade and lost all your customers during the lockdowns there's not much point in harvesting.

Farms often don't have the capacity to store fruit and veg' in the correct conditions because the crop usually goes straight to the processors.
Once the processing plants shut down for lack of demand the crop becomes almost worthless.
Potato farmers were hit particularly hard when the demand for fries disappeared.
The cost of harvesting, in fuel and labour etc, is just throwing good money after bad.
This is the problem is centralized markets.
They are great at producing cheap processed food when everything is running perfectly, but they aren't very resilient.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:56 am

C-Mag wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:20 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:15 am

If you were supplying the catering trade and lost all your customers during the lockdowns there's not much point in harvesting.

Farms often don't have the capacity to store fruit and veg' in the correct conditions because the crop usually goes straight to the processors.
Once the processing plants shut down for lack of demand the crop becomes almost worthless.
Potato farmers were hit particularly hard when the demand for fries disappeared.
The cost of harvesting, in fuel and labour etc, is just throwing good money after bad.
This is the problem is centralized markets.
They are great at producing cheap processed food when everything is running perfectly, but they aren't very resilient.
No one predicted a worldwide closure of bars and restaurants.
Even if someone had predicted it they still wouldn't have been able to persuade anyone to build extra freezer capacity just in case to store thousands of tons of frozen potatoes.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by TheOneX » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:10 am

It isn't a centralize economy that is the issue, it is a JIT economy that is the issue.

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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by C-Mag » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:28 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:56 am
C-Mag wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:20 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:15 am

If you were supplying the catering trade and lost all your customers during the lockdowns there's not much point in harvesting.

Farms often don't have the capacity to store fruit and veg' in the correct conditions because the crop usually goes straight to the processors.
Once the processing plants shut down for lack of demand the crop becomes almost worthless.
Potato farmers were hit particularly hard when the demand for fries disappeared.
The cost of harvesting, in fuel and labour etc, is just throwing good money after bad.
This is the problem is centralized markets.
They are great at producing cheap processed food when everything is running perfectly, but they aren't very resilient.
No one predicted a worldwide closure of bars and restaurants.
Even if someone had predicted it they still wouldn't have been able to persuade anyone to build extra freezer capacity just in case to store thousands of tons of frozen potatoes.
It's not that just that, but COVID is a factor and great excuse............. blame everything on Bat Aids.

Globalization is ending, it's had it's run. Things will be more expensive. 3rd world costs of labor and production are up, as well as shipping costs. The UK is going to be hit hard.
Not enough local production to support their population.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by Zlaxer » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:34 am

C-Mag wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:28 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:56 am
C-Mag wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:20 am


This is the problem is centralized markets.
They are great at producing cheap processed food when everything is running perfectly, but they aren't very resilient.
No one predicted a worldwide closure of bars and restaurants.
Even if someone had predicted it they still wouldn't have been able to persuade anyone to build extra freezer capacity just in case to store thousands of tons of frozen potatoes.
It's not that just that, but COVID is a factor and great excuse............. blame everything on Bat Aids.

Globalization is ending, it's had it's run. Things will be more expensive. 3rd world costs of labor and production are up, as well as shipping costs. The UK is going to be hit hard.
Not enough local production to support their population.

No worries - the UK proles/yobs will be controlled in their breeding. Now if we could just find a solution for Africa, India, and Asia :think:

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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by The Conservative » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:51 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:56 am
C-Mag wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:20 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:15 am

If you were supplying the catering trade and lost all your customers during the lockdowns there's not much point in harvesting.

Farms often don't have the capacity to store fruit and veg' in the correct conditions because the crop usually goes straight to the processors.
Once the processing plants shut down for lack of demand the crop becomes almost worthless.
Potato farmers were hit particularly hard when the demand for fries disappeared.
The cost of harvesting, in fuel and labour etc, is just throwing good money after bad.
This is the problem is centralized markets.
They are great at producing cheap processed food when everything is running perfectly, but they aren't very resilient.
No one predicted a worldwide closure of bars and restaurants.
Even if someone had predicted it they still wouldn't have been able to persuade anyone to build extra freezer capacity just in case to store thousands of tons of frozen potatoes.
No one predicted? Seriously, were you asleep for 2020?
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:11 am

The Conservative wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:51 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:56 am
C-Mag wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:20 am


This is the problem is centralized markets.
They are great at producing cheap processed food when everything is running perfectly, but they aren't very resilient.
No one predicted a worldwide closure of bars and restaurants.
Even if someone had predicted it they still wouldn't have been able to persuade anyone to build extra freezer capacity just in case to store thousands of tons of frozen potatoes.
No one predicted? Seriously, were you asleep for 2020?
You can't just increase capacity overnight.
It would have had to be built years before anyone had heard of Wuhan.
No one predicted that.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by The Conservative » Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:26 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:11 am
The Conservative wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:51 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:56 am


No one predicted a worldwide closure of bars and restaurants.
Even if someone had predicted it they still wouldn't have been able to persuade anyone to build extra freezer capacity just in case to store thousands of tons of frozen potatoes.
No one predicted? Seriously, were you asleep for 2020?
You can't just increase capacity overnight.
It would have had to be built years before anyone had heard of Wuhan.
No one predicted that.
Ramping up production in the US would have been easier than you think... if people got off the tit of China and worked on rebuilding our own infrastructure.

We would have been fine food-wise too, the way things are now... at least if people were smart...

In the US during wartime we ramped up production in mere months, if we wanted to do something, and had the drive to do it, we could...

Regretfully we are saddled with people like you in the country that say it would take too long to do it, so why try?
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by Montegriffo » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:09 am

The Conservative wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:26 am

Regretfully we are saddled with people like you in the country that say it would take too long to do it, so why try?
That's not what I said.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Supply Chain Shortages and Inflation

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:39 am

The Conservative wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:26 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:11 am
The Conservative wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:51 am


No one predicted? Seriously, were you asleep for 2020?
You can't just increase capacity overnight.
It would have had to be built years before anyone had heard of Wuhan.
No one predicted that.
Ramping up production in the US would have been easier than you think... if people got off the tit of China and worked on rebuilding our own infrastructure.

We would have been fine food-wise too, the way things are now... at least if people were smart...

In the US during wartime we ramped up production in mere months, if we wanted to do something, and had the drive to do it, we could...

Regretfully we are saddled with people like you in the country that say it would take too long to do it, so why try?
I don’t think that there was any point during 2020 when we could have built the granary storage necessary to save an entire years crop before fall harvest….
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