Current US Military

[Haumana]

Did we fail ... or did we leave of our own volition, and the remaining living Afghanis came back out of their holes?
I mean, it's not like we were chased out of there, death and destruction on our tails.

Uncle Joe has issues with tucking it back in. Trump's a master at that but he tweets mean things. No bueno.

[The Conservative]

Forgive me for not thinking that you are the sharpest pencil in the drawer.

So then the DO need to project their power at some point?

Only if someone is willing to openly attack Afghanistan, which as we have all seen though what is it now? Three, four, five? major powers have truly attempted to conquer it and failed?

So they can't project and yet they can't be conquered?

WTF are you saying.

Tell me I'm wrong, and you'd be lying...

Anyone who holds Afghanistan doesn't need to project power, they just have to bide their time till it becomes too expensive for the enemy to stay there in either blood or money. Russia, the US, Germany, even Rome I think tried and all failed...

[Smitty-48]

Did we fail ... or did we leave of our own volition, and the remaining living Afghanis came back out of their holes?
I mean, it's not like we were chased out of there, death and destruction on our tails.

exactly, I mean, it wasn't the Tet Offensive that drove America out

you could stay there forever if you wanted, it's not actually Vietnam

the Democrats just botched it, the most incompetently executed withdrawal possible

could have staged out of there in phases, there was no cause to turn and run in a panic

[Haumana]

Only if someone is willing to openly attack Afghanistan, which as we have all seen though what is it now? Three, four, five? major powers have truly attempted to conquer it and failed?

So they can't project and yet they can't be conquered?

WTF are you saying.

Tell me I'm wrong, and you'd be lying...

Anyone who holds Afghanistan doesn't need to project power, they just have to bide their time till it becomes too expensive for the enemy to stay there in either blood or money. Russia, the US, Germany, even Rome I think tried and all failed...

Huh? Who held Afghanistan? You just said that they all failed. So Afghanys (Which the Tally Ban are) have autonomy and therefore they must what? What do you suggest given the list of failures that you listed.

[Smitty-48]

don't forget, the withdrawal from Saigon in 1975 was not a panicked withdrawal

it didn't happen over a weekend

it took America 55 days to withdraw from Saigon, in phases

the South Vietnamese were fucked either way, but America backed out of there in an orderly fashion actually

[DBTrek]

We just held Afghanistan for almost two decades, and left when we were damn good and ready, and folks still out here acting like Dan Carlins - blathering about how no one can hold it, graveyard of empires.

We just held it, fools.
For as long as we fucking felt like it.

/shrug

[TheOneX]

even Rome I think tried and all failed...

I think you might be thinking of Greece. Rome never got past Persia. The Greece did find success in Afghanistan, though, as did the Mongols and several other empires. I think the real thing about Afghanistan is that there just isn't anything there worth staying around for.

[Smitty-48]

We just held it, fools.
For as long as we fucking felt like it.

exactly, it's not about American power being in question

if somebody wants to have a stand up fight with America they will get annihilated

it's just comes down to an orderly withdrawal versus a clown show

but the clown show is all about the Biden power vacuum

they didn't even talk to NATO, they just started fleeing in the middle of the night

it's just the Democrats, they don't even deal with reality anymore, all they do is memes on Twitter

[Haumana]

We just held Afghanistan for almost two decades, and left when we were damn good and ready, and folks still out here acting like Dan Carlins - blathering about how no one can hold it, graveyard of empires.

We just held it, fools.
For as long as we fucking felt like it.

/shrug

Uncle Joe said enough was enough. This is what that looks like. No one could have done it better. But have you heard the timing of TC's kid? Jeanus. Life is grand!

[Smitty-48]

We just held Afghanistan for almost two decades, and left when we were damn good and ready, and folks still out here acting like Dan Carlins - blathering about how no one can hold it, graveyard of empires.

We just held it, fools.
For as long as we fucking felt like it.

/shrug

Uncle Joe said enough was enough. This is what that looks like. No one could have done it better. But have you heard the timing of TC's kid? Jeanus. Life is grand!

Obama did it better, he got out of Iraq without this sort of circus

ISIS was always going to come in the wake

but there was no Iraqis falling off the Globemaster when Obama pulled out