The Era of Biden
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Re: The Era of Biden
I've had a little think, and there is a final point I'd like to make re:China and Afghanistan.
Two arguments have been made that can't be simultaneously true.
1) China doesn't do nation building
2) Afghanistan will become a quagmire for China instead of us.
It is the nation building that creates the quagmire. China would be happy to see Afghanistan become another safe harbor for Jihadists since Jihadists are retarded because, even though China is the country actively throwing Muslims in reeducation labor camps, Jihadists focus on attacking Western countries.
So, how does Afghanistan become China's quagmire?
And, it isn't as easy as just going back into Afghanistan if they start producing Jihadists, since ceding control to China puts it under China or Pakistan, or someone else's nuclear umbrella.
Of course - if the 1st argument is not true, and China does do nation building, that just means we'll have an expansion of Chinese style Communism which puts the lie to the claim that we're leaving Afghanistan in order to focus on bigger threats, eg. friggin' China.
TL:DR: y'all straight up wrong about Afghanistan.
Two arguments have been made that can't be simultaneously true.
1) China doesn't do nation building
2) Afghanistan will become a quagmire for China instead of us.
It is the nation building that creates the quagmire. China would be happy to see Afghanistan become another safe harbor for Jihadists since Jihadists are retarded because, even though China is the country actively throwing Muslims in reeducation labor camps, Jihadists focus on attacking Western countries.
So, how does Afghanistan become China's quagmire?
And, it isn't as easy as just going back into Afghanistan if they start producing Jihadists, since ceding control to China puts it under China or Pakistan, or someone else's nuclear umbrella.
Of course - if the 1st argument is not true, and China does do nation building, that just means we'll have an expansion of Chinese style Communism which puts the lie to the claim that we're leaving Afghanistan in order to focus on bigger threats, eg. friggin' China.
TL:DR: y'all straight up wrong about Afghanistan.
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Re: The Era of Biden
frankly, Gen Y & Z are free to fight whatever wars they please at this pointHanarchy Montanarchy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:52 pmTL:DR: y'all straight up wrong about Afghanistan.
I'm well past fighting age meself, kicking back retired with the Vampire Squid Boomers
if Gen Y & Z are keen to charge back into Afghanistan & the like for the Boomers
they have the votes to make it happen, stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door
then they can go and see the Elephant for themselves, by all means, Gunga Din
it's merely an academic discussion for Generation X at this juncture
we pretty much dodged both the Boomer & Echo Boomers quagmires
Goldilocks Zone ftw
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Re: The Era of Biden
in terms of Cold War Two security competition with China
I would submit that the tip of the spear is theater thermonuclear counterforce
the principle arms race being Hypersonic Weapons & Ballistic Missile Defense
enabled by maritime & airpower, particularly submarines & strategic bombers
I would submit that the tip of the spear is theater thermonuclear counterforce
the principle arms race being Hypersonic Weapons & Ballistic Missile Defense
enabled by maritime & airpower, particularly submarines & strategic bombers
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Re: The Era of Biden
S'true enough.
I'm just slower than most so it takes me a day to think all the way through my academic discussion points sometimes.
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Re: The Era of Biden
Does this logic apply equally to our bases in South Korea? If we just need subs and long range bombers, why not just shutter everything?Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:11 pmin terms of Cold War Two security competition with China
I would submit that the tip of the spear is theater thermonuclear counterforce
the principle arms race being Hypersonic Weapons & Ballistic Missile Defense
enabled by maritime & airpower power, particularly submarines & strategic bombers
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Re: The Era of Biden
the best place to put a base against the Chinese would be Vietnam
back to Camh Ran Bay
not as the invaders, allied to the Vietnamese against Beijing
get right up in their kitchen, in an alliance with their worst enemies
the Communists are not a monolith
they got their Communists, we got our Communists
divide & conquer the Domino Theory
Nixonian Madman Doctrine ftw
back to Camh Ran Bay
not as the invaders, allied to the Vietnamese against Beijing
get right up in their kitchen, in an alliance with their worst enemies
the Communists are not a monolith
they got their Communists, we got our Communists
divide & conquer the Domino Theory
Nixonian Madman Doctrine ftw
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Re: The Era of Biden
South Korea is a dependent not a boonHanarchy Montanarchy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:17 pmDoes this logic apply equally to our bases in South Korea? If we just need subs and long range bombers, why not just shutter everything?Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:11 pmin terms of Cold War Two security competition with China
I would submit that the tip of the spear is theater thermonuclear counterforce
the principle arms race being Hypersonic Weapons & Ballistic Missile Defense
enabled by maritime & airpower power, particularly submarines & strategic bombers
the reason you want to go with lots of Northrop Grumman B-21A Raider stealth bombers, is range
your primary bases for deep strike against PLA A2AD / Militarized Belt & Road
are at highly secure standoff installations such as Guam, Okinawa & Diego Garcia
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Re: The Era of Biden
Well, when the re-invade Nam candidate comes around, they've got my vote.
Way I figure it, we've got unfinished business there, and finishing up might cure America's fear of 'quagmires.'
Way I figure it, we've got unfinished business there, and finishing up might cure America's fear of 'quagmires.'
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Re: The Era of Biden
no, you miss the point againHanarchy Montanarchy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:22 pmWell, when the re-invade Nam candidate comes around, they've got my vote.
Way I figure it, we've got unfinished business there, and finishing up might cure America's fear of 'quagmires.'
Vietnam is not your enemy and never was
Vietnam is your Bulwark against China and always was
it's not re-invade Vietnam, it's ally with Vietnam as was the original mission in World War Two
the Vietnamese fear loathe & hate the Chinese with a passion
they are the ultimate Anti-Chinese proxy, none would fight the Chinese harder
the Vietnamese flipped to America's side long ago, after Le Duan died in 1986
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Re: The Era of Biden
I don't see how that same logic doesn't apply to Bagram and Afghanistan dependency.Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:21 pm
South Korea is a dependent not a boon
the reason you want to go with lots of Northrop Grumman B-21A Raider stealth bombers, is range
your primary bases for deep strike against PLA A2AD / Militarized Belt & Road
are at highly secure standoff installations such as Guam, Okinawa & Diego Garcia
HAIL!
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-Hwen
Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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