FUCK THE PRC

[SuburbanFarmer]

You are thinking about the Chinese through an American lens. We respond to being made to look like foolish idiots by attacking our government and leadership because we view ourselves as citizens, with a government responsible to us.

The Chinese (at least the Han majority that isn't being actively repressed) will respond by closing ranks and defending their government because they are, essentially, subjects. The majority of mainland China is not like Hong Kong or Taiwan - they will not turn against the CCP, and neither will Beijing's trading partners unless there is a better option for them - an option the West will have to provide through multilateral trade agreements.

You simply can not 'expose' or 'embarrass' the CCP out of existence.

Every time the CCP has felt slighted, they instantly retaliate by trying to shift attention, or flailing about for an excuse. The government is illegitimate (and yes I realize the irony here), and is only in place because they block the internet and news.

Imagine the effect if we simply unblocked it for them. Broadcast Elon’s star link into their territory for free, and sit back.

I can imagine the effect - in fact, I don't need to, since we have seen exactly what they would do.

1) Say this is just Western propaganda
2) Claim to be the victim of Western Imperialism
3) Clamp down on the tiny minority of critics and dissidents
4) Continue to enjoy majority mainland support by providing jobs and resources to the majority by building ghost cities

Star Link isn't going to bring down the CCP. Absolutely absurd. It is like believing that dropping pamphlets from planes will topple Communist autocrats. The mainland majorities do not give a shit. China's trading partners do not give a shit.

Nah dude. The power of meme culture would go off like a nuke in Nanjing.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Every time the CCP has felt slighted, they instantly retaliate by trying to shift attention, or flailing about for an excuse. The government is illegitimate (and yes I realize the irony here), and is only in place because they block the internet and news.

Imagine the effect if we simply unblocked it for them. Broadcast Elon’s star link into their territory for free, and sit back.

I can imagine the effect - in fact, I don't need to, since we have seen exactly what they would do.

1) Say this is just Western propaganda
2) Claim to be the victim of Western Imperialism
3) Clamp down on the tiny minority of critics and dissidents
4) Continue to enjoy majority mainland support by providing jobs and resources to the majority by building ghost cities

Star Link isn't going to bring down the CCP. Absolutely absurd. It is like believing that dropping pamphlets from planes will topple Communist autocrats. The mainland majorities do not give a shit. China's trading partners do not give a shit.

Nah dude. The power of meme culture would go off like a nuke in Nanjing.

This is 100% true.

A nuke that selectively targeted and killed critics of the regime.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I can imagine the effect - in fact, I don't need to, since we have seen exactly what they would do.

1) Say this is just Western propaganda
2) Claim to be the victim of Western Imperialism
3) Clamp down on the tiny minority of critics and dissidents
4) Continue to enjoy majority mainland support by providing jobs and resources to the majority by building ghost cities

Star Link isn't going to bring down the CCP. Absolutely absurd. It is like believing that dropping pamphlets from planes will topple Communist autocrats. The mainland majorities do not give a shit. China's trading partners do not give a shit.

Nah dude. The power of meme culture would go off like a nuke in Nanjing.

This is 100% true.

A nuke that selectively targeted and killed critics of the regime.

You have an awful lot of faith in the power of government. Just set a few million people snickering quietly at Winnie the Pooh, and the regime is gone within a year.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Nah dude. The power of meme culture would go off like a nuke in Nanjing.

This is 100% true.

A nuke that selectively targeted and killed critics of the regime.

You have an awful lot of faith in the power of government. Just set a few million people snickering quietly at Winnie the Pooh, and the regime is gone within a year.

You seem to think that governments topple over in a gust of wind.

[DBTrek]

Yeah, gotta go with HM on this one.
China isn't crumbling on account of memes.

China will watch 2 million Chinese die and not even blink.

[TheOneX]

The only reason why the CCP are still in power is because people's lives today are better than they were yesterday. Once people's lives stop getting better, things could change very quickly. There is a lot of quiet dissent within China.

Also, if you want to topple the CCP right now, all you need to do is destroy a few dams, and make it look natural. Their Mandate of Heaven tends to be tied very closely to water management (their mythical origin story is about water management). Once the perception that they have "lost the mandate of heaven" gains traction, some powerful men would probably move against the CCP.

[DBTrek]

During the Opium Wars the Chinese would execute their addicts in coastal cities en masse.
The other citizens didn't do shit.
Just watched them get cut down by the state

Suring the Tianamen Square protests the Chines fired AA guns into crowds of their own people.
Again, the citizenry didn't do jack about it.
/shrug

[SuburbanFarmer]

During the Opium Wars the Chinese would execute their addicts in coastal cities en masse.
The other citizens didn't do shit.
Just watched them get cut down by the state

Suring the Tianamen Square protests the Chines fired AA guns into crowds of their own people.
Again, the citizenry didn't do jack about it.
/shrug

I'd submit that the vast majority of them - and even the majority of the West - don't know what happened there.
Again, opening the floodgates of the internet would be fatal to a closed society.

[Martin Hash]

During the Opium Wars the Chinese would execute their addicts in coastal cities en masse.
The other citizens didn't do shit.
Just watched them get cut down by the state

Suring the Tianamen Square protests the Chines fired AA guns into crowds of their own people.
Again, the citizenry didn't do jack about it.
/shrug

I'd submit that the vast majority of them - and even the majority of the West - don't know what happened there.
Again, opening the floodgates of the internet would be fatal to a closed society.

You have a much higher opinion of people than most of us. Good on ya, mate.

[SuburbanFarmer]

During the Opium Wars the Chinese would execute their addicts in coastal cities en masse.
The other citizens didn't do shit.
Just watched them get cut down by the state

Suring the Tianamen Square protests the Chines fired AA guns into crowds of their own people.
Again, the citizenry didn't do jack about it.
/shrug

I'd submit that the vast majority of them - and even the majority of the West - don't know what happened there.
Again, opening the floodgates of the internet would be fatal to a closed society.

You have a much higher opinion of people than most of us. Good on ya, mate.

Probably true. I try not to think about the vast abyss of human potential lost to incompetent leadership.