Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

[DBTrek]

They'll be planted next to my nuclear power plant.

May as well change the thread title to "Why We Can't Have Green Energy".

Did you know wind farms chop up birds and shit?
And OMG, solar doesn't deliver much power at all.
Hydroelectric dams disrupt fish spawning areas.

I mean, shit - I can play the "let's all sit on our asses and talk about why viable solutions won't work" game too - I just thought that was what the rest of the internet was for.

[The Conservative]

Switchgrass (Panicum virgatum) is an upright prairie grass that produces feathery delicate flowers from July to September. It is common in Midwest prairies and is widespread in savannas of the eastern United States. There are several switchgrass varieties to choose from and its high tolerance for different planting sites makes ornamental switchgrass a great choice for any landscape. Providing height, flow, and drama, planting switchgrass brings it all to the decorative garden.

Read more at Gardening Know How: Growing Switchgrass – How To Plant Switchgrass https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/orname ... hgrass.htm

I'm not even 100% sure you need agricultural land to grow switchgrass.
Seems pretty hearty.

But you know how it goes when proposing solutions to things - you get the deluge of people who feel smarter if they can nay-say and find problems.

As if finding problems or giving excuses for not doing things is a skill, or meritorious achievement.


Entire leftist population ruled by "problem-finders" who have yet to solve anything.

Seems like it probably could grow anywhere:


I look forward to photos of your switchgrass field.

[C-Mag]

Sounds a little familiar

The Roman government also set price controls on wheat. In the fourth century, B.C., the Roman government would buy grain during periods of shortages and sell it at a price fixed far below the market price. In 58 B.C., this was improved upon; the government gave grain away to the citizens of Rome at a zero price, that is, for free.

The result was inevitable: farmers left the land and flocked to Rome; this, of course, only made the problem worse, since with fewer farmers on the land in the territories surrounding Rome, less grain than before was being grown and brought to the market. Also, masters were freeing their slaves and placing the financial burden for feeding them on the Roman government at that zero price.

In 45 B.C., Julius Caesar discovered that almost one-third of the Roman citizenry was receiving their grain supply for free from the State.
https://fee.org/articles/how-roman-cent ... r-economy/

[C-Mag]

Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942)
An Ohio farmer, Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat to feed animals on his own farm. The US government had established limits on wheat production, based on the acreage owned by a farmer, to stabilize wheat prices and supplies. Filburn grew more than was permitted and so was ordered to pay a penalty. In response, he said that because his wheat was not sold, it could not be regulated as commerce, let alone "interstate" commerce (described in the Constitution as "Commerce... among the several states"). The Supreme Court disagreed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

That was 80 years ago, fucking Federalis telling a farmer he couldn't grow feed for his animals

[DBTrek]

Yes, agricultural subsidies are an absolute scam that benefit the powerful elite nearly exclusively.
That being said - biodiesel and nuclear both strike me as feasible Green energy alternatives to many of the complaints people have about fossil fuels.

... but you can see how that's going.

[C-Mag]

Yes, agricultural subsidies are an absolute scam that benefit the powerful elite nearly exclusively.
That being said - biodiesel and nuclear both strike me as feasible Green energy alternatives to many of the complaints people have about fossil fuels.

... but you can see how that's going.

Right On.

Bio Diesel in particular. We can make Diesel engines that can run on just about any oil. Simplicity is nice.

During the Great War Wheat traded at over $2 a bushel, adjusted that would be $40 today, or approximately $30 for a loaf of bread. Farmers are getting $6/bushel today. In the 20s and 30s nations got together to control the price of wheat, to keep food cheap and to ensure there weren't a bunch of uber wealthy farmers out there it worked. Today they keep farmers on the land producing what they want for their controlled markets and use subisidies to keep them just above water.

The entire thing is engineered by central planners.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Imagine the wealth available to any peasant who could simply grow things with his own sweat, under normal market conditions.
The horror….

[C-Mag]

Imagine the wealth available to any peasant who could simply grow things with his own sweat, under normal market conditions.
The horror….

There doesn't have to be any famines. American Farmers alone can feed the world. We pay them not to.

[C-Mag]

Cities are toxic hellscapes.

Just 25 'mega-cities' produce 52 per cent of the world's urban greenhouse gas emissions — and 23 of them are in China
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... gases.html

[TheOneX]

Cities are toxic hellscapes.

Just 25 'mega-cities' produce 52 per cent of the world's urban greenhouse gas emissions — and 23 of them are in China
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... gases.html

This is why mask wearing has been a fashion statement in Beijing for years.