No taxes, no legislature, no democracy -- No state

[Fife]

Y'all should read The Invisible Hook. Not only does it demonstrate that anarchy is not chaos - but it explores what an economy looks like when it's not based on productivity or "giving your customer what they want".

They didn't have a government, but they had many forms of governance that shifted according to the situation at hand. Forming a pirate crew? That's a 100% unanimous democracy. Every member must agree to every rule. Replacing a captain? Simple majority? Engaging an enemy vessel? Autocracy.

Fascinating stuff.
Governance without government.
Order and discipline among violent criminals.

I like Leeson's stuff pretty well. He has a knack for making potentially obtuse economics relatable. Everything of his that I've read has had the history just about right also.

[DBTrek]

Remember when Monte used to advocate stealing bicycles for egalitarian reasons: maybe he was really just trying to be a pirate?

Maybe he was.
I think, given the rest of his positions tho, he was falling for that ol' Marxist "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" sham.
The people who earned it owe it to the people who did not because of "reasons".

More of a form of piracy for people who want to believe they have some kind of moral high ground, rather than admitting they're simply greedy pirates.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Y'all should read The Invisible Hook. Not only does it demonstrate that anarchy is not chaos - but it explores what an economy looks like when it's not based on productivity or "giving your customer what they want".

They didn't have a government, but they had many forms of governance that shifted according to the situation at hand. Forming a pirate crew? That's a 100% unanimous democracy. Every member must agree to every rule. Replacing a captain? Simple majority? Engaging an enemy vessel? Autocracy.

Fascinating stuff.
Governance without government.
Order and discipline among violent criminals.

In what sense is a pirate ship NOT a government?

Just sounds like a little government on a boat.

[DBTrek]

In what sense is a pirate ship NOT a government?

Just sounds like a little government on a boat.

In the sense that there is no permanent centralized authority and participating in the society is 100% voluntary.

[Fife]

Well, for those ready to take a deeper dive, this anthology is hot off the presses:

The Anarchist Handbook

Anarchism has been both a vision of a peaceful, cooperative society—and an ideology of revolutionary terror. Since the term itself—anarchism—is a negation, there is a great deal of disagreement on what the positive alternative would look like. The black flag comes in many colors.The Anarchist Handbook is an opportunity for all these many varied voices to speak for themselves, from across the decades. These were human beings who saw things differently from their fellow men. They fought and they loved. They lived and they died. They disagreed on much, but they all shared one vision: Freedom.

[Fife]

Y'all should read The Invisible Hook. Not only does it demonstrate that anarchy is not chaos - but it explores what an economy looks like when it's not based on productivity or "giving your customer what they want".

They didn't have a government, but they had many forms of governance that shifted according to the situation at hand. Forming a pirate crew? That's a 100% unanimous democracy. Every member must agree to every rule. Replacing a captain? Simple majority? Engaging an enemy vessel? Autocracy.

Fascinating stuff.
Governance without government.
Order and discipline among violent criminals.

In what sense is a pirate ship NOT a government?

Just sounds like a little government on a boat.

"Government" should be restricted, IMNSHO, to the idea of non-consensual compliance through direct violence or the threat of violence, e.g., the USA. "Governance" on a boat can be completely voluntary, as in the HOA example statist throw up in as one of the "government is inevitable" counters to the idea of free association.

Hasnas again in the piece I recommended:

I am presenting an argument for anarchy in the true sense of the term; that is, a society without government, not a society without governance. There is no such
thing as a society without governance. A society with no mechanism for bringing order to human existence is oxymoronic; it is not “society” at all.

And as DB just tolt y'all:

In the sense that there is no permanent centralized authority and participating in the society is 100% voluntary.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

In what sense is a pirate ship NOT a government?

Just sounds like a little government on a boat.

In the sense that there is no permanent centralized authority and participating in the society is 100% voluntary.

If you are on the ocean and decide that participating in pirate society just isn't for you, I bet you get volunteered by the society pretty damn quick.

That, or the impermanent centralized authority drops your sand-bagging ass in the drink.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

"Government" should be restricted, IMNSHO, to the idea of non-consensual compliance through direct violence or the threat of violence, e.g., the USA. "Governance" on a boat can be completely voluntary, as in the HOA example statist throw up in as one of the "government is inevitable" counters to the idea of free association.

I am not the pirate expert.

But, I am pretty sure that there were punishments for non-compliance on a pirate ship. Anyone on the ship not contributing to the successful operation of the ship met violence or the threat of violence.

Sure, you joined the crew of your own volition - but compliance gets pretty mandatory after that.

[The Conservative]

"Government" should be restricted, IMNSHO, to the idea of non-consensual compliance through direct violence or the threat of violence, e.g., the USA. "Governance" on a boat can be completely voluntary, as in the HOA example statist throw up in as one of the "government is inevitable" counters to the idea of free association.

I am not the pirate expert.

But, I am pretty sure that there were punishments for non-compliance on a pirate ship. Anyone on the ship not contributing to the successful operation of the ship met violence or the threat of violence.

Sure, you joined the crew of your own volition - but compliance gets pretty mandatory after that.

Pirate ships were one of the few places a true democracy took place. That plus the rules were fucking strict... you fell asleep on watch, you wouldn't see another sunset normally.

[Fife]

In what sense is a pirate ship NOT a government?

Just sounds like a little government on a boat.

In the sense that there is no permanent centralized authority and participating in the society is 100% voluntary.

If you are on the ocean and decide that participating in pirate society just isn't for you, I bet you get volunteered by the society pretty damn quick.

That, or the impermanent centralized authority drops your sand-bagging ass in the drink.

We're assuming the sailor voluntarily undertook the voyage with the rules of the road laid out, aren't we?

Same as your HOA, once you join up of your free will, you obey rules. If you want a safe exit strategy, then there should be a rule for that in the contract. (And almost always there is, unless you are a sovereign state joining a suicide pact in Philadelphia in 1787, for example.)

Sanctity of contract is what keeps us from murdering each other in the street more than any government -- right now.