Poking the Bear Again

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Haumana » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:07 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:02 pm
Haumana wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:57 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:52 pm

the Russia Hoax Red Scare is like a bull in the nuclear china shop

this is why the French & Germans are backing away from it, they are nervous
Rightly so.
one of the critical miscalculations is that the Russian position has changed over the last seven years

at first, public opinion in Russia did not support a war against the fellow Ukrainian Slavs

but over seven years of conflict, the Russians have hardened their hearts about it

they don't fear a war in Ukraine, and they don't feel solidarity with the Ukrainians anymore

now they have fifty battalion tactical groups poised to teach the Ukrainians a hard lesson

lesson number one is America cannot save you, so take heed of our final warning
Ukrainians have morphed into Europeans?

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:11 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:27 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:25 pm
Hanny is a lost cause; I have never once seen him change sides. I tried carrots with him for over 2 years; now it’s all stick.
It's not a personal beef with me, I like Hanarchy, quite sure we'd have a good time hanging out on my deck
I have an anecdotal story:

People expect me to be clever & entertaining. While Trump was president, no problem, I had long experience soothing rough edges & making people feel comfortable even though they knew I supported Trump. Afterwards though, Jesus H. Christ, all the mutterfukkers wanted to crow about the election & how anybody (like me, the only fucking PhD data scientist they will ever meet) must be crazy if they think it was a fraud. And, of course, the fucking Shamdemic is the #1 topic of discussion and how anybody (like me, the only fucking MD in their group) must be crazy if they think it's a scam. Not to mention all the publicly debunked TDS hoaxes, not the least of which was the Russian hoax. I just quit entertaining people with my sparkling rhetoric; let them weave their own Oral Illusions, I'll take a back seat for awhile rather than argue with used-to-be friends. WTF you think their response was? "Oh, what's wrong with Martin?" "How come Martin's so quiet?" "Is something up with Martin?" These zombie mutterfukkers still wanted me to entertain them but on their terms. Fucking mutterfukking fuckers. I'm Stranger in a Strange Land nowadays.
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:12 pm

Haumana wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:07 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:02 pm
Haumana wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:57 pm


Rightly so.
one of the critical miscalculations is that the Russian position has changed over the last seven years

at first, public opinion in Russia did not support a war against the fellow Ukrainian Slavs

but over seven years of conflict, the Russians have hardened their hearts about it

they don't fear a war in Ukraine, and they don't feel solidarity with the Ukrainians anymore

now they have fifty battalion tactical groups poised to teach the Ukrainians a hard lesson

lesson number one is America cannot save you, so take heed of our final warning
Ukrainians have morphed into Europeans?
in essence, that is the case, the Ukrainians have put themselves on the other side of the trace with the EU

there have been tectonic shifts in Russia which the media party has not noticed

for example if Russia had gone to war in 2014, there would have been severe financial consequences

Obama was holding the international banking system over their heads

in the seven years since, the Russians have completely detached themselves from western banks

that is actually the most ominous sign that they are truly preparing for war
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Haumana » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:20 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:12 pm
in essence, that is the case, the Ukrainians have put themselves on the other side of the trace with the EU

there have been tectonic shifts in Russia which the media party has not noticed

for example if Russia had gone to war in 2014, there would have been severe financial consequences

Obama was holding the international banking system over their heads

in the seven years since, the Russians have completely detached themselves from western banks

that is actually the most ominous sign that they are truly preparing for war
Interesting. Cleaving their banker ties is a big deal. In a lot of ways I admire their resolve. China is a threat but they are nebulous, Russia on the other hand is very clear.

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Haumana » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:22 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:11 pm
I have an anecdotal story:

People expect me to be clever & entertaining. While Trump was president, no problem, I had long experience soothing rough edges & making people feel comfortable even though they knew I supported Trump. Afterwards though, Jesus H. Christ, all the mutterfukkers wanted to crow about the election & how anybody (like me, the only fucking PhD data scientist they will ever meet) must be crazy if they think it was a fraud. And, of course, the fucking Shamdemic is the #1 topic of discussion and how anybody (like me, the only fucking MD in their group) must be crazy if they think it's a scam. Not to mention all the publicly debunked TDS hoaxes, not the least of which was the Russian hoax. I just quit entertaining people with my sparkling rhetoric; let them weave their own Oral Illusions, I'll take a back seat for awhile rather than argue with used-to-be friends. WTF you think their response was? "Oh, what's wrong with Martin?" "How come Martin's so quiet?" "Is something up with Martin?" These zombie mutterfukkers still wanted me to entertain them but on their terms. Fucking mutterfukking fuckers. I'm Stranger in a Strange Land nowadays.
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:39 pm

Haumana wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:20 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:12 pm
in essence, that is the case, the Ukrainians have put themselves on the other side of the trace with the EU

there have been tectonic shifts in Russia which the media party has not noticed

for example if Russia had gone to war in 2014, there would have been severe financial consequences

Obama was holding the international banking system over their heads

in the seven years since, the Russians have completely detached themselves from western banks

that is actually the most ominous sign that they are truly preparing for war
Interesting. Cleaving their banker ties is a big deal. In a lot of ways I admire their resolve. China is a threat but they are nebulous, Russia on the other hand is very clear.
see the mismatch at the strategic level

America lives in the postmodern world of Woke where everything is a meme, nothing is serious

meanwhile the Russians still live in the modern world where everything is realpolitik, war is real

so America is irrational by Russian standards, Russia is irrational by American standards

so this is not a confrontation between rational actors operating on the same page

for America this is just another meme, for the Russians this is old school backs against the wall for real

it's like in America on Twitter some Woke faggot will post "I want to kill all Transphobes" or whatever

when they say that shit in Russia, it's not a meme, when they say they are ready to kill, they mean it
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Haumana » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:56 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:39 pm
see the mismatch at the strategic level

America lives in the postmodern world of Woke where everything is a meme, nothing is serious

meanwhile the Russians still live in the modern world where everything is realpolitik, war is real

so America is irrational by Russian standards, Russia is irrational by American standards

so this is not a confrontation between rational actors operating on the same page

for America this is just another meme, for the Russians this is old school backs against the wall for real

it's like in America on Twitter some Woke faggot will post "I want to kill all Transphobes" or whatever

when they say that shit in Russia, it's a not a meme, when they say they are ready to kill, they mean it
Danger is grave danger. Again, Russia Unwoke is admirable.

But alas, I have found my insulated enclave. I am just an observer. I only have a couple of dangling ties to the outside otherwise I couldn't give a shit less. Now it is all about the show and how much I want to watch it go down. My terms.

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:56 pm

the one saving grace could be that in the event of war Russia will hand America its ass so fast, it will end quickly

America is totally unprepared for a war against the Russians, I bet on the Russians to win easily

America could be saved by getting its ass kicked so fast that it sues for peace before things go nuclear

it's not about military hardware, the Russians are just real while America is faking it
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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Haumana » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:59 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:56 pm
the one saving grace could be that in the event of war Russia will hand America its ass so fast, it will end quickly

America is totally unprepared for a war against the Russians, I bet on the Russians to win easily

America could be saved by getting its ass kicked so fast that it sues for peace before things go nuclear

it's not about military hardware, the Russians are just real while America is faking it
America is no longer the Manifest Destiny America.

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Re: Poking the Bear Again

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:02 pm

Haumana wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:59 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:56 pm
the one saving grace could be that in the event of war Russia will hand America its ass so fast, it will end quickly

America is totally unprepared for a war against the Russians, I bet on the Russians to win easily

America could be saved by getting its ass kicked so fast that it sues for peace before things go nuclear

it's not about military hardware, the Russians are just real while America is faking it
America is no longer the Manifest Destiny America.
because everything is a postmodern meme detached from realpolitik

it's not that the Russian military is invincible, it's just that American doesn't have the resolve to go all the way

Russian escalation dominance will prevail in the face of an America which is faking it
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