WTF Britain?!?

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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:08 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:05 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:28 am
the warrior class is easily co-opted by the Communists

war was in fact the only thing the Communists were good at

the Communists were tougher than the Germans and they had better tanks

it was consumer products that the Communists could not produce

"go woke, go broke" in the contemporary vernacular
Better tanks wtf?? They could barely keep them operational..
no, that was the German tanks

the Soviet tanks were built simply in large volumes, meant to be expended downrange quickly

they had two engines, they carried a spare for when the first one broke, they were practically modular tanks

the Germans meanwhile built the ultra expensive & complex tanks, in much smaller numbers

which broke down all the time in the harsh conditions, the German tanks were too delicately tuned
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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:18 am

it's like your Soviet tank is a pickup truck

the German tank is like a Ferrari

soon as you start fighting a war of industrial production in the mud & snow, pickup truck wins that fight easily

as Koba said in 1944, "quantity has a quality of its own"

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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:25 am

There’s a couple impressive tank battles where 1 Tiger took out 40+ Soviet tanks. Unfortunately for the Germans, they were against 100+
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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:26 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:25 am
There’s a couple impressive tank battles where 1 Tiger took out 40+ Soviet tanks. Unfortunately for the Germans, they were against 100+
wars are not won at the tactical level

the German tactics were irrelevant

at the strategic level, the Soviets bested them in every measure

at the operational level, this enabled the Soviets to win the war of encirclement, beating the Germans at their own game

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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by Montegriffo » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:36 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:08 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:05 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:28 am
the warrior class is easily co-opted by the Communists

war was in fact the only thing the Communists were good at

the Communists were tougher than the Germans and they had better tanks

it was consumer products that the Communists could not produce

"go woke, go broke" in the contemporary vernacular
Better tanks wtf?? They could barely keep them operational..
no, that was the German tanks

the Soviet tanks were built simply in large volumes, meant to be expended downrange quickly

they had two engines, they carried a spare for when the first one broke, they were practically modular tanks

the Germans meanwhile built the ultra expensive & complex tanks, in much smaller numbers

which broke down all the time in the harsh conditions, the German tanks were too delicately tuned
Just like their machine guns.
Jerry was short of resources, he didn't have the mass production option. He had to go for quality over quantity.
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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:43 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:36 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:08 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:05 am


Better tanks wtf?? They could barely keep them operational..
no, that was the German tanks

the Soviet tanks were built simply in large volumes, meant to be expended downrange quickly

they had two engines, they carried a spare for when the first one broke, they were practically modular tanks

the Germans meanwhile built the ultra expensive & complex tanks, in much smaller numbers

which broke down all the time in the harsh conditions, the German tanks were too delicately tuned
Just like their machine guns.
Jerry was short of resources, he didn't have the mass production option. He had to go for quality over quantity.
German doctrine actually came about by accident

Dunkirk was not actually planned

Guderian disobeyed direct orders to advance in step with the dismounted infantry

instead, Gurderian took it upon himself to dash to the coast with his tanks only

the result was encirclement, and Hitler claimed it to be ingenious

so that became the German doctrine to take the Soviet Union

it worked in the opening phases, because they launched a surprise attack

but things pretty much started going badly for them after that and never recovered
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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by GloryofGreece » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:32 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:43 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:36 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:08 am


no, that was the German tanks

the Soviet tanks were built simply in large volumes, meant to be expended downrange quickly

they had two engines, they carried a spare for when the first one broke, they were practically modular tanks

the Germans meanwhile built the ultra expensive & complex tanks, in much smaller numbers

which broke down all the time in the harsh conditions, the German tanks were too delicately tuned
Just like their machine guns.
Jerry was short of resources, he didn't have the mass production option. He had to go for quality over quantity.
German doctrine actually came about by accident

Dunkirk was not actually planned

Guderian disobeyed direct orders to advance in step with the dismounted infantry

instead, Gurderian took it upon himself to dash to the coast with his tanks only

the result was encirclement, and Hitler claimed it to be ingenious

so that became the German doctrine to take the Soviet Union

it worked in the opening phases, because they launched a surprise attack

but things pretty much started going badly for them after that and never recovered
What do you make of the notion that it was really the Russians that invented the blitz beforehand rather than the Germans?
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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:44 pm

GloryofGreece wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:32 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:43 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:36 am


Just like their machine guns.
Jerry was short of resources, he didn't have the mass production option. He had to go for quality over quantity.
German doctrine actually came about by accident

Dunkirk was not actually planned

Guderian disobeyed direct orders to advance in step with the dismounted infantry

instead, Gurderian took it upon himself to dash to the coast with his tanks only

the result was encirclement, and Hitler claimed it to be ingenious

so that became the German doctrine to take the Soviet Union

it worked in the opening phases, because they launched a surprise attack

but things pretty much started going badly for them after that and never recovered
What do you make of the notion that it was really the Russians that invented the blitz beforehand rather than the Germans?
the Germans & the Soviets worked together in the 1920s

the Soviet doctrine that came from it was Deep Operations

that was to punch a hole in the front line with concentrated armor,

then send an Operational Maneuver Group into the rear

this eventually became the Soviet Guards Tank Armies
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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:39 am

Jesus, these people are fucked.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk- ... loved-ones
A government minister appeared on morning television to urge Brits to “call out” others if they were seen engaging “in an odd way,” such as hugging their loved ones.
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Re: WTF Britain?!?

Post by The Conservative » Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:04 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:39 am
Jesus, these people are fucked.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk- ... loved-ones
A government minister appeared on morning television to urge Brits to “call out” others if they were seen engaging “in an odd way,” such as hugging their loved ones.
Might want to be careful... the article they link to says:
Mr Huddleston also advised people who see others bending the rules to "call them out in a respectful way" and refrain from hugging.
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