-
Smitty-48
- Posts: 36399
- Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:22 am
Post
by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:12 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:07 am
Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:31 am
ultimately all this Wokeism is going to come crashing back down on the left
they are going to burn in a fire of their own making
the key as conservatives, is to just bide our time until the left blows themselves up
then pounce on them, using all the censorious laws that the left passed against them
Same sentiment as Hanarchy. And I agree as well. The Backlash is going to be grand.
The danger here is swinging back too far the other way, as Smitty proposes.
I propose nothing, but simply letting events take their course
vengeance shall be the Lord's, his wrath upon their heads will fall, I will simply dance upon their graves after
Nec Aspera Terrent
-
Martin Hash
- Posts: 18733
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:02 pm
Post
by Martin Hash » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:17 am
A stabilized ship is simply Europe. Wokeness may eventually be defeated but it served its purpose already: American liberty was overcome. It will be redefined to European liberty.
American “liberty” was: people reaping the rewards or suffering the consequences of their own decisions, bounded only by the liberty of others.
Shamedia, Shamdemic, Shamucation, Shamlection, Shamconomy & Shamate Change
-
SuburbanFarmer
- Posts: 25287
- Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:50 am
- Location: Ohio
Post
by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:32 am
Martin Hash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:17 am
A stabilized ship is simply Europe. Wokeness may eventually be defeated but it served its purpose already: American liberty was overcome. It will be redefined to European liberty.
American “liberty” was: people reaping the rewards or suffering the consequences of their own decisions, bounded only by the liberty of others.
I don’t think we’ve actually lost that yet, recent events notwithstanding. The danger is certainly closer than ever, but it’s not a done deal.
I still think the Silent Majority is getting ready to lay a whoopass on these noisy kids.
-
Martin Hash
- Posts: 18733
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:02 pm
Post
by Martin Hash » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:37 am
The Soviets did eventually fall. Solzhenitsyn moved back to Russia because he was a Communist at heart, not a Libertyist. America liberty scared & disgusted him.
Shamedia, Shamdemic, Shamucation, Shamlection, Shamconomy & Shamate Change
-
Zlaxer
- Posts: 5377
- Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:04 am
Post
by Zlaxer » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:38 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:32 am
Martin Hash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:17 am
A stabilized ship is simply Europe. Wokeness may eventually be defeated but it served its purpose already: American liberty was overcome. It will be redefined to European liberty.
American “liberty” was: people reaping the rewards or suffering the consequences of their own decisions, bounded only by the liberty of others.
I don’t think we’ve actually lost that yet, recent events notwithstanding. The danger is certainly closer than ever, but it’s not a done deal.
I still think the Silent Majority is getting ready to lay a whoopass on these noisy kids.
There’s no rallying point - and if you do fond one, the government will end your ability to do business. I don’t see a way over that.
-
TheOneX
- Posts: 1292
- Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:16 pm
Post
by TheOneX » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:44 am
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:27 am
Martin Hash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:32 am
Oh, Amerika can go until the foreseeable future, just look at Europe, but Liberty America, that's gone and can't come back: feminists & minorities & weirdos are in charge from here on out, just like in Europe.
Populism was gaining ground all over the world but the Shamdemic put a stop to that.
I don't get that sentiment.
The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education has had a stunning run of victories since it was founded. There are now more legally reified protections for free speech in America than ever.
I've never seen such negative attention and push back for a Pulitzer prize as what Nicole Hanah-Jones got for her absurd 1619 Project. The NYT, in a particularly callow move, quietly edited out her most spurious bullshit. That, combined with other nonsense from the Old Grey Lady, means that fewer serious people take the NYT seriously than ever. What is that but a win for the condemnation of new woke staffers in media?
I have not seen any serious support for the Seuss Company's removal of pieces of its catalog - only mockery and condemnation. Plus, opportunities for anyone with first editions of the banned books, since demand for them has sky rocketed and they now command a pretty high price. That looks to me like a sign that the censors are not popular or supported.
You used to have to dig past the front page in the WSJ to find anything about Chinese treatment of non-Han Chinese. Now I see something about the Uighers almost every day. This is a great sign.
The extent to which we fail to live up to our value of liberty is only in relation to how unique we are in valuing liberty so highly, and I don't see that going away. I don't see every setback as proof that the fight is lost, or that liberty has been abandoned.
The current struggles for liberty are all about how we censure each other in a free society, and how we operationalize our country's liberty protections for new technology. I don't see the struggle for liberty as lost - I see it running into obstacles as it pushes into new territory and spreads.
Sorry, that kind of went on and on - I just really don't understand this liberty-pessimism.
I'm in the same boat, keep trying to tell them we are winning, and that is why the propaganda is turned up to 11. They are desperate, and don't know what else to do. It is the same thing with China, they see their demographics, and know they are about to peek. They've turned up their aggressiveness in an attempt to change their future. The best thing we can do is not be silent, but we also need to be intelligent about how we speak.
This may sound weird, or not, but the best way to know the trajectory of society is to pay attention to the drama surrounding Disney, specifically with Star Wars. That is the canary in the mine.
-
Smitty-48
- Posts: 36399
- Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:22 am
Post
by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:48 am
Zlaxer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:38 am
There’s no rallying point - and if you do fond one, the government will end your ability to do business. I don’t see a way over that.
the Neoliberal empire shall fall, the flood will come in the end
there is no tactical solution
this then becomes a strategic mission
keep the torch lit, preserve the American religion, this is a generational struggle, the long war
we are not the Minutemen, we are the Regulators of North Carolina
Nec Aspera Terrent
-
Martin Hash
- Posts: 18733
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:02 pm
Post
by Martin Hash » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:51 am
There’s nothing wrong with optimism but too many people use it to whistle past the graveyard.
“Identifying the wrong enemy is even more dangerous than denying there is one.” - me
Shamedia, Shamdemic, Shamucation, Shamlection, Shamconomy & Shamate Change
-
Smitty-48
- Posts: 36399
- Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:22 am
Post
by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:55 am
Martin Hash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:51 am
There’s nothing wrong with optimism but too many people use it to whistle past the graveyard.
optimism is a question of time
on the long view, it's all bad news
in the meantime tho, life is grand
the only thing at stake here is the Neoliberal empire
I personally have little use for it
Nec Aspera Terrent
-
SuburbanFarmer
- Posts: 25287
- Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:50 am
- Location: Ohio
Post
by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:02 pm
Zlaxer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:38 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:32 am
Martin Hash wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:17 am
A stabilized ship is simply Europe. Wokeness may eventually be defeated but it served its purpose already: American liberty was overcome. It will be redefined to European liberty.
American “liberty” was: people reaping the rewards or suffering the consequences of their own decisions, bounded only by the liberty of others.
I don’t think we’ve actually lost that yet, recent events notwithstanding. The danger is certainly closer than ever, but it’s not a done deal.
I still think the Silent Majority is getting ready to lay a whoopass on these noisy kids.
There’s no rallying point - and if you do fond one, the government will end your ability to do business. I don’t see a way over that.
The government is only interested in what the corporations want, and keeping power. Nothing else matters to them.
Keep yourself out of that firing line, and you’re ok.