Current US Military

[Smitty-48]

When the US pushed into the capital and captured it, they were told to halt. It was later stated that if they pushed north, the war would have been won.

American forces held the coasts, the urban South Vietnamese fought hard in defense of the cities

the urban South Vietnamese just said Search & Destroy was a bad idea, but the Americans didn't listen

in terms of invading the North, it would have required use of tactical nuclear weapons

in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis, America determined that it was too risky, would incite World War Three

The US held more than the coast...but I'm not going to get into a debate here with you on that, because no matter what I say you are going to browbeat me into submitting.

If you want to say America controlled the Delta, Iron Triangle, Central Highlands & DMZ, you're welcome to

the Pentagon is who said they didn't control it, they don't claim that, but that's not really my point

the point is that the ARVN wouldn't fight for it, the ARVN would only fight to defend the cities

soon as you went inland, the ARVN refused to fight

so America couldn't hand it off to them, there was no Vietnamization option

America had to be out there in the jungle, to defeat the NLF / VC for South Vietnam

[The Conservative]

American forces held the coasts, the urban South Vietnamese fought hard in defense of the cities

the urban South Vietnamese just said Search & Destroy was a bad idea, but the Americans didn't listen

in terms of invading the North, it would have required use of tactical nuclear weapons

in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis, America determined that it was too risky, would incite World War Three

The US held more than the coast...but I'm not going to get into a debate here with you on that, because no matter what I say you are going to browbeat me into submitting.

If you want to say America controlled the Delta, Iron Triangle, Central Highlands & DMZ, you're welcome to

the Pentagon is who said they didn't control it, they don't claim that, but that's not really my point

the point is that the ARVN wouldn't fight for it, the ARVN would only fight to defend the cities

soon as you went inland, the ARVN refused to fight

so America couldn't hand it off to them, there was no Vietnamization option

America had to be out there in the jungle, to defeat the NLF / VC for South Vietnam

There was also the fact that congress demanded to have every bullet counted that was fired, and a lot of bullshit. We "lost" the war because Congress and the press (a lot like today) got in the way of what needed to be done.

[Smitty-48]

The US held more than the coast...but I'm not going to get into a debate here with you on that, because no matter what I say you are going to browbeat me into submitting.

If you want to say America controlled the Delta, Iron Triangle, Central Highlands & DMZ, you're welcome to

the Pentagon is who said they didn't control it, they don't claim that, but that's not really my point

the point is that the ARVN wouldn't fight for it, the ARVN would only fight to defend the cities

soon as you went inland, the ARVN refused to fight

so America couldn't hand it off to them, there was no Vietnamization option

America had to be out there in the jungle, to defeat the NLF / VC for South Vietnam

There was also the fact that congress demanded to have every bullet counted that was fired, and a lot of bullshit. We "lost" the war because Congress and the press (a lot like today) got in the way of what needed to be done.

the problem was not at that level, that's the operational level

the problem was at the next level above, the strategic level

the strategic mission was to impose a political settlement on South Vietnam, so America could go home

to get the peasants in the countryside to make peace with the city folk

it was too much of a divide, because French Catholic Colonialism had poisoned the well

the solution came from Nixon, he went to China, made peace with them

the Chinese were the ones propping the North Vietnamese up, they were the patrons of Le Duan

they told Le Duan, we have made peace with the Americans, so just let them leave now

this actually caused a schism between the Chinese & North Vietnamese

after America withdrew, China & Vietnam went to war against each other, over Cambodia, then directly

the Nixon plan however, was to make Vietnam irrelevant, by winning the Cold War in making peace with China

[SuburbanFarmer]

The poor young troops are just confused.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/def ... surrection

[Smitty-48]

The poor young troops are just confused.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/def ... surrection

that's like me, back in the 1990's

barracks room lawyer questioning all the commie shit that was being imposed by the Liberals

that's why I didn't get promoted, that's a career killer

luckily I just joined the infantry because chicks dig it, I never cared much about rank

[DrYouth]

the problem was not at that level, that's the operational level

the problem was at the next level above, the strategic level

the strategic mission was to impose a political settlement on South Vietnam, so America could go home

to get the peasants in the countryside to make peace with the city folk

it was too much of a divide, because French Catholic Colonialism had poisoned the well

the solution came from Nixon, he went to China, made peace with them

the Chinese were the ones propping the North Vietnamese up, they were the patrons of Le Duan

they told Le Duan, we have made peace with the Americans, so just let them leave now

this actually caused a schism between the Chinese & North Vietnamese

after America withdrew, China & Vietnam went to war against each other, over Cambodia, then directly

the Nixon plan however, was to make Vietnam irrelevant, by winning the Cold War in making peace with China

That was worth the price of admission, right there.

[Smitty-48]

the problem was not at that level, that's the operational level

the problem was at the next level above, the strategic level

the strategic mission was to impose a political settlement on South Vietnam, so America could go home

to get the peasants in the countryside to make peace with the city folk

it was too much of a divide, because French Catholic Colonialism had poisoned the well

the solution came from Nixon, he went to China, made peace with them

the Chinese were the ones propping the North Vietnamese up, they were the patrons of Le Duan

they told Le Duan, we have made peace with the Americans, so just let them leave now

this actually caused a schism between the Chinese & North Vietnamese

after America withdrew, China & Vietnam went to war against each other, over Cambodia, then directly

the Nixon plan however, was to make Vietnam irrelevant, by winning the Cold War in making peace with China

That was worth the price of admission, right there.

American involvement in Vietnam starts in the early Cold War

America barely held the line in Korea

the Cuban Missile Crisis went to the brink of WWIII

so Vietnam seemed very important, this was life & death

ten years later however, the Cold War had changed, the crisis had abated, so Vietnam was no longer important

[Smitty-48]

This is how the Domino Theory was wrong

it's not that Dominoes won't fall, that does happen, Hitler ran the tables like that, and that was the thought

the mistake was thinking that Moscow & Beijing were on the same team

when you think that, then South Vietnam becomes like West Germany, you have to defend it

once you realize that Moscow & Beijing were actually sworn enemies, and you split them against each other

then South Vietnam is no longer like West Germany, you don't need to defend it after all

[DrYouth]

This is how the Domino Theory was wrong

it's not that Dominoes won't fall, that does happen, Hitler ran the tables like that, and that was the thought

the mistake was thinking that Moscow & Beijing were on the same team

when you think that, then South Vietnam becomes like West Germany, you have to defend it

once you realize that Moscow & Beijing were actually sworn enemies, and you split them against each other

then South Vietnam is no longer like West Germany, you don't need to defend it after all

This is the existential situation for the west now.

Hearts and Minds in China and Russia.
Split them both from within.

Their people already love the west...
They have to censor the western Internet.
Google, Apple and Tesla... Netflix and Facebook will convert the Russians and the Chinese.

The Chinese are trying to outwit the west with their own awesome technology...
But their people want Freedom not National Socialism.
And the Chinese Fascists are in the wings... with no real Freedom to offer.

It won't be the Wokesters that seduce China to the true freedom of the American West.
It will be the next Nixon.
Smittochet? I think not.
Andrew - perhaps.

[Smitty-48]

This is how the Domino Theory was wrong

it's not that Dominoes won't fall, that does happen, Hitler ran the tables like that, and that was the thought

the mistake was thinking that Moscow & Beijing were on the same team

when you think that, then South Vietnam becomes like West Germany, you have to defend it

once you realize that Moscow & Beijing were actually sworn enemies, and you split them against each other

then South Vietnam is no longer like West Germany, you don't need to defend it after all

This is the existential situation for the west now.

Hearts and Minds in China and Russia.
Split them both from within.

Their people already love the west...
They have to censor the western Internet.
Google, Apple and Tesla... Netflix and Facebook will convert the Russians and the Chinese.

that's not the case

China is converting Google, Apple & Tesla to China's side

the Woke are simply China's useful idiots

the Chinese call them "Baizou"