Free Market vs Marxism

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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:38 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:24 pm
Every dedicated Marxist I know is fat, grumpy, and bloviates unrelentingly.
It's like a phenotype with them.
Must be fat, rant about the "mistreatment" of the poor, and hate everything productive.

In this case "mistreatment" means the poor don't have as much as normal people who found decent jobs and use a modicum of thought in their planning and purchasing.
To their way of thinking, which is equality (based on envy & resentment, of course, but they call it altruism & empathy), liberty, reaping the rewards or suffering the consequences of your own actions, is selfish & greedy, (which we call ambitious & conscientious). They are completely opposite ideologies: egalitarianism requires authoritarianism because they have to force everyone to be like them, and liberty is enlightened because they expect people to run their own lives.
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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by DBTrek » Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:46 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:38 pm
DBTrek wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:24 pm
Every dedicated Marxist I know is fat, grumpy, and bloviates unrelentingly.
It's like a phenotype with them.
Must be fat, rant about the "mistreatment" of the poor, and hate everything productive.

In this case "mistreatment" means the poor don't have as much as normal people who found decent jobs and use a modicum of thought in their planning and purchasing.
To their way of thinking, which is equality (based on envy & resentment, of course, but they call it altruism & empathy), liberty, reaping the rewards or suffering the consequences of your own actions, is selfish & greedy, (which we call ambitious & conscientious). They are completely opposite ideologies: egalitarianism requires authoritarianism because they have to force everyone to be like them, and liberty is enlightened because they expect people to run their own lives.
No doubt.
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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:17 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:46 pm
Losers can't tolerate a system that allows winners.
How can you be the center of the universe if someone else is?
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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by Ph64 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:30 am

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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:38 am

Marxists are simply misdirected into blaming the economic system, rather than the corruption that’s destroying it.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:45 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:38 am
Marxists are simply misdirected into blaming the economic system, rather than the corruption that’s destroying it.
That's why people who would normally not be Marxists are attracted to Marxism, but if they really are Marxists then the inequality created by a Free Market would be anathema to them.
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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:47 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:45 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:38 am
Marxists are simply misdirected into blaming the economic system, rather than the corruption that’s destroying it.
That's why people who would normally not be Marxists are attracted to Marxism, but if they really are Marxists then the inequality created by a Free Market would be anathema to them.
It would be best not to confuse the two. The former can be saved and allied. The latter is far fewer in number.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by DBTrek » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:50 am

Martin's rich.
Must be why the rest of us aren't.
He took all the money that we are entitled to by birthright.
He didn't build that, it's "the people's" wealth.
-Marxism
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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:50 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:47 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:45 am
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:38 am
Marxists are simply misdirected into blaming the economic system, rather than the corruption that’s destroying it.
That's why people who would normally not be Marxists are attracted to Marxism, but if they really are Marxists then the inequality created by a Free Market would be anathema to them.
It would be best not to confuse the two. The former can be saved and allied. The latter is far fewer in number.
Marxism is built on egalitarianism. Egalitarianism is equality-based; so if someone claims to be searching for equality, they are probably going to be sympathetic to Marxism, even if it's not fully implemented. I could walk outside my door and ask 10 people if equality is their #1 goal, and at least 7 of them would say yes.
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Re: Free Market vs Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:52 am

DBTrek wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:50 am
Martin's rich.
Must be why the rest of us aren't.
He took all the money that we are entitled to by birthright.
He didn't build that, it's "the people's" wealth.
-Marxism
:sad-roulette:

Marxism is a predatory scam where losers who repeat the chant count on receiving something for nothing.
The Human Rights argument.

p.s. The Natural Rights argument is that people who inherit their wealth deserve it.
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