Seriously, no one is talking about the riots?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Hanny has been pretending to be open-minded but it’s just cynical infiltration.

If you knew how much I have learned from arguing with you, and reading your arguments with others, you would see that isn't true.

That is why I think it is a shame that you consider it a victory to drive away all the people with whom you disagree.

[Martin Hash]

Hanny has been pretending to be open-minded but it’s just cynical infiltration.

If you knew how much I have learned from arguing with you, and reading your arguments with others, you would see that isn't true.

That is why I think it is a shame that you consider it a victory to drive away all the people with whom you disagree.

Not 10 minutes ago I was telling Gwynne how much pleasure I was finding in the forum again, after at least 6 months of dreading to read it, just by the TDS people stopping posting.

I’ve become a 1-time-your-out person on FB, and my mood has markedly improved there too. I’m too old and too optimistic to have my day ruined.

BTW, I’ve never thrown anyone off this forum, they leave on their own. It could easily become like my other forum but obviously I live with that.

If you can make your case how your liberty is being reduced from where it was yesterday, and Trump isn’t the cause, I’m more than willing to debate that.

[Martin Hash]

Day 42 of protests in downtown Portland so I can’t go there.

I now have to wear a mask.

I can’t go dancing.

There’s my examples.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

If you can make your case how your liberty is being reduced from where it was yesterday, and Trump isn’t the cause, I’m more than willing to debate that.

Buried deep in the core of our republic is the Enlightenment understanding that authority is dangerous, and the temptation to use it for low ends is nearly irresistible. To counter this we build institutions and develop customs that hobble our leaders.

My deepest concern is with political movements that view these institutions and customs as a problem that need dismantling.

It is the same reason 'abolish the police' is such a dangerous and stupid position - as if, without the baggage of institutions and bureaucracy, vigilantes would be better able to maintain order in a just way.

I'm not all that anti-Trump. I am pro-institution though, which is probably an even more unpopular position around here than simply disliking Trump, and why some of my arguments seem incomprehensible.

I suspect the core of our disagreement is that you think Trump is the best defense against dangerous, authoritarian Communists, and I think our institutions are.

[Martin Hash]

By that, you must mean the Soft Coup attempted by the Obama White House, and implemented by the FBI, CIA & other institutions?

[Martin Hash]

Or the Black judge who wouldn’t end the Flynn case, or the Black Appellate Court judge who supported the usurpation of separation of powers.

[Martin Hash]

Or the governors & mayors that not only stand by during rioting but actually encourage it.

[Martin Hash]

R those the institutions you’re talking about?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

By that, you must mean the Soft Coup attempted by the Obama White House, and implemented by the FBI, CIA & other institutions?

I am not entirely sure what you mean by that.

But, if you are talking about the fact that the FBI and CIA were drawn into electoral politics in 2016 - yes, that was extraordinarily deleterious to our Republic.

[Martin Hash]

Perhaps you mean prosaic institutions like dictionaries the redefine words so that only Whites can be “racists” or “protests” include violence & destruction.