Coronavirus thread

[PartyOf5]

I don't think that's any more true than suggesting that the shutdown is motivated by a communist plot to sit on your arse getting paid to do nothing.
If we can eliminate the ignorant extremes of this debate it will save a lot of time and be far more productive.

I actually agree with Monte.

It's allowed.

I actually agree with much of what you have said on this subject too.
It's been as much of a shock to me as it probably has been for you.

COVID has done some strange things to the world. This might be the strangest.

[Speaker to Animals]

I reserve my powers of consideration for the likely, not for the outlandish.
We've lost almost as many jobs as Australia has people in one month.
All your "whataboutism" is going to be meaningless pretty quick if we keep playing fear-charades like this.

So the scientific projections are wrong and your hand-waving assurances that "It's just a flu, bro" are the likely truth. Obviously, since you can't possibly be wrong and the scientists can't possibly be correct, anybody who disagrees with you is trying to wreck the economy. And you definitely are not delusional for thinking like that.

Given that, consider that from the perspective of people who are not so quick to dismiss epidemiologists' predictions here, you sound like a wingnut loon right now.

[PartyOf5]

I'm telling you to fuck off, because we are talking COVID-19 deaths, not COVID and (INSERT OTHER CAUSES HERE) deaths...

If they are combining both together to get fear up, then you and the rest of the media just needs to fuck off and stop inflating numbers with fears... we have never seen a countrywide shutdown like this, and because of it, we have lost more jobs for no reason than because people can't math.

It's right in the CDC numbers you used. That's not inflating the numbers, that's adding them up properly.

"For no reason"

More than 1 in 1,000 people in New York have died within 2 months. Those are actual numbers. That has never happened before. That is math. That is why we shut things down. We also need to find ways to open things up without creating more New Yorks across the country.

Something else you need to know about he CDC numbers.
- They lag behind other reported sources. They say they lag 1-2 weeks on their own sites where they post the numbers you love to (partially) use.
- The Pneumonia + COVID need to be counted in the COVID deaths because COVID is one of the codes that was used in documenting the cause of death.

[DBTrek]

Is any argument safe from "what if it's actually far worse than we ever imagined" ?
I find this idea that anyone who doesn't incorporate extreme paranoia into their considerations is delusional fascinating.

"Taking you car to work?"
"Yeah."
"What if the air bag triggers unexpectedly and kills you, did you think of that?
"No."
"You're delusional"
"What?"
"What if everything you think you know about air bags is wrong, and you're about to gamble your life for nothing?"
"Ridiculous"
"Delusional!"

[Speaker to Animals]

Is any argument safe from "what if it's actually far worse than we ever imagined" ?
I find this idea that anyone who doesn't incorporate extreme paranoia into their considerations is delusional fascinating.

"Taking you car to work?"
"Yeah."
"What if the air bag triggers unexpectedly and kills you, did you think of that?
"No."
"You're delusional"
"What?"
"What if everything you think you know about air bags is wrong, and you're about to gamble your life for nothing?"
"Ridiculous"
"Delusional!"

You are so dishonest, DB.

The issue comes down to whether the scientists are right or wrong. Your assurance without any argument or evidence that they must be wrong do not encourage me. I think a person has to be completely delusional to think like you do right now. Maybe they are wrong and maybe not. Do you have evidence they are wrong? Because their projections led to lock downs and you ideologically oppose lock downs they must be wrong? That's fucking insane.

[DBTrek]

"I can imagine a worst case scenario that also encompasses the actual worst case scenario we're going through right now. So stay the course."

The "non-delusional" approach to problem solving.


Right-o.
You can keep all that.

[Xenophon]

Is any argument safe from "what if it's actually far worse than we ever imagined" ?
I find this idea that anyone who doesn't incorporate extreme paranoia into their considerations is delusional fascinating.

"Taking you car to work?"
"Yeah."
"What if the air bag triggers unexpectedly and kills you, did you think of that?
"No."
"You're delusional"
"What?"
"What if everything you think you know about air bags is wrong, and you're about to gamble your life for nothing?"
"Ridiculous"
"Delusional!"

You are so dishonest, DB.

The issue comes down to whether the scientists are right or wrong. Your assurance without any argument or evidence that they must be wrong do not encourage me. I think a person has to be completely delusional to think like you do right now. Maybe they are wrong and maybe not. Do you have evidence they are wrong? Because their projections led to lock downs and you ideologically oppose lock downs they must be wrong? That's fucking insane.

Multiple people, myself included, have provided links that at least should put some doubt on those 2.2 million death numbers.

[Speaker to Animals]

"I can imagine a worst case scenario that also encompasses the actual worst case scenario we're going through right now. So stay the course."

The "non-delusional" approach to problem solving.


Right-o.
You can keep all that.

Again, you are trying to gas light and evade.

You provided no evidence whatsoever that the scientists are wrong. You just proclaimed it and refused to consider the consequences of reopening without a containment strategy in place if they are right. Then you post stupid shit at anybody who dares to point out you are not considering this very likely outcome. It's not imagining a "worst case scenario". It's imagining what the fuck is going to happen if your unsupported assumption is false. And if you can't even bring yourself to think about your ideological assumptions being false, then flat out you are fucking delusional right now. And you are fucking delusional about a virus that could cost you dearly if you make stupid decisions.

Legit crazy people have an advantage over you because at least somebody sat them down and explained to them these irrational thought patterns can lead them to make dangerous decisions. Right now, people like you are out there making really, really bad decisions about an historic and very deadly pandemic because they can't imagine that all these ideological biases could actually bring personal harm to them. Fucking news flash: this pandemic is really fucking bad and there is a very good chance the republicans are going to wreck the economy while killing a lot of people if the models are right.

[DBTrek]

Yep.
I'm the one on various meds and one missed check away from homeless.
And you are a virologist.
And the various models have been accurate beyond measure.

Thanks for playing.

[Speaker to Animals]

I want you geniuses to look at the data divided by national governments.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Rank that shit by total deaths and deaths per day. Do you see any other national government managing to see 1800-2100 deaths per day consistently for the past month? There is only one government doing that.

For once consider the glaringly obvious potential that the republicans are fucking wrong and the scientists are correct.

We could exceed one hundred thousand fatalities by the end of this month if this trend does not reverse. Do you get the impression that these republicans have it under control based on that data? I fucking don't.

When we surpass WW2 fatalities are you going to reconsider? No? What about civil war fatalities?