Coronavirus thread

[Montegriffo]

Why don't those greedy ass food service workers care about human life tho?
Round 'em up before we all DIE.

Recession is temporary, death is permanent.

That industry is me btw and without any welfare payments (I've been refused benefits) I'm going to really suffer financially but I still take that over death or permanent organ damage.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I was always deeply suspicious of the argument that there are very many people who would intentionally work to destroy a functioning economy that benefited everyone out of .

Looks like I was wrong.

Rank pettiness, resentment, and malice?
Really?
That's the motive you apply?

Fear makes up the difference, but yes.

[The Conservative]

https://www.businesscycle.com/ecri-news ... -loss-ever

Government Dependents: "OMG!!! MAMMON WORSHIPERS TRYNA KILL GRANDMA!!!"

This shit needs to stop now.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Why don't those greedy ass food service workers care about human life tho?
Round 'em up before we all DIE.

Recession is temporary, death is permanent.

That industry is me btw and without any welfare payments (I've been refused benefits) I'm going to really suffer financially but I still take that over death or permanent organ damage.

Since suicides are up, it looks like curing death through isolation was never a realistic strategy.

[The Conservative]

Last season's flu deaths were around 61k from almost 50 million infections in the US.
The Coronavirus has, so far, killed nearly 77k from 1.3 million confirmed infections.
You would have to multiply the confirmed cases of COVID19 by nearly 40 to make the flu as deadly as the Coronavirus.

44K from 1.3 Million, don't over-inflate numbers...

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
77,249 deaths from 1,297,646 confirmed cases.

Mine is from the CDC from confirmed cases, not proposed without verification.

[DBTrek]

Recession is temporary, death is permanent.

That industry is me btw and without any welfare payments (I've been refused benefits) I'm going to really suffer financially but I still take that over death or permanent organ damage.

If that's your decision based on your assessment of the situation, cool. What's not cool is you trying to decide for everyone else who isn't so well off that their government is like "Nah, this cat will be fine with no work and no assistance". Those people who won't just "suffer financially", but will potentially lose their homes and go hungry. Your personal decision shouldn't be their only option.

[The Conservative]

Recession is temporary, death is permanent.

That industry is me btw and without any welfare payments (I've been refused benefits) I'm going to really suffer financially but I still take that over death or permanent organ damage.

If that's your decision based on your assessment of the situation, cool. What's not cool is you trying to decide for everyone else who isn't so well off that their government is like "Nah, this cat will be fine with no work and no assistance". Those people who won't just "suffer financially", but will potentially lose their homes and go hungry. Your personal decision shouldn't be their only option.

This is what bothers me, the people who seem to be the ones saying "just stay home" are also the ones getting paychecks from the government on a weekly/bi-weekly basis.

[Montegriffo]

I was always deeply suspicious of the argument that there are very many people who would intentionally work to destroy a functioning economy that benefited everyone out of .

Looks like I was wrong.

Rank pettiness, resentment, and malice?
Really?
That's the motive you apply?

Sure looks that way when any attempt to discuss reopening the economy is met with vitriol and accusations of wanting everyone to die.
That's not how reasonable, well-intentioned, honest people respond to discussions.
So . . . we must look for the most likely motives that drive such responses, Occam's Razor style.

...and when any discussion about the conditions needed before the economy can be reopened safely is ignored or met with accusations of wanting to deliberately damage the economy you have to look at the motivation of those who would put money over lives.

[Montegriffo]

Recession is temporary, death is permanent.

That industry is me btw and without any welfare payments (I've been refused benefits) I'm going to really suffer financially but I still take that over death or permanent organ damage.

If that's your decision based on your assessment of the situation, cool. What's not cool is you trying to decide for everyone else who isn't so well off that their government is like "Nah, this cat will be fine with no work and no assistance". Those people who won't just "suffer financially", but will potentially lose their homes and go hungry. Your personal decision shouldn't be their only option.

This is what bothers me, the people who seem to be the ones saying "just stay home" are also the ones getting paychecks from the government on a weekly/bi-weekly basis.

I'm not getting a fucking cent.

[Speaker to Animals]

Straight up, DB. I think you are delusional right now. You are trying to frame this as a false choice between saving the economy and saving however many lives you even allow yourself to admit will die if we reopen. As if what you are defending does not also carry a risk of collapsed economy —arguably you defend taking the greatest risk of economic collapse and then frame the debate as if you are trying to take the least risk. That kind of delusional cognitive distortion is a common outcome ideological thinking, and right now it does nobody any good.


Honestly, you need to also consider the economic impact of reopening (without community testing and any containment strategy at all) if you are wrong and scientists are right. If the inexorable math of epidemiology is correct, what you defend could well send us straight into even more severe lock downs with enormous fatalities *and* a completely destroyed economy. You are not even being honest with yourself if you do not acknowledge this, much less exhibiting an ounce of honesty to this forum.