lol. Too quick.
Coronavirus thread
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I think that’s where most people are at.PartyOf5 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:19 amYes, we need to keep the economy moving. This is not a choice between opening things up and believing the virus is dangerous. It's both. Let's open things up safely and with the seriousness of the virus in mind. That seems to be too difficult for some people to deal with.
Minus the people rooting for the collapse of America while simultaneously carrying the Communist Chinese water for them, of course. I haven’t seen anyone actually say “open everything just like before, fuckit”. Though, people who hate capitalism have used that straw man in their arguments repeatedly.
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You will have more deaths as more people get infected. As more people get the virus, more people will die. You can't dispute that fact.Zlaxer wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:53 amPartyOf5 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:06 amOfficial U.S. cases based on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ stands at about 1.2m. That number is going to be low as some people never get tested. There are over 300m people in the US. There is no way 30% of the population has had it, even accounting for untested cases. Throwing numbers like that out there have no statistical ground to stand on.
So I say it's more than 1.2m, but not 25-30% of the population. If that was the case you would have higher deaths.
1) You would have higher deaths only if the kill rate is higher. You would have same number of deaths if kill rate remains same while more cases are discovered. Evidence is trending towards the later.
2) we tested small populations extensively and found incredibly high rates 30-40% of them already had it and showed no symptoms.
Even if you take you number that between 30-40% of New York has already been infected, you have at least 25,000 deaths with about 33% infected. If 100% of New York gets infected you will end up with over 75,000 dead. Just in New York.
What happens if this thing mutates?
Why are people against any kind of measures to help prevent people from spreading this? It is not an all or nothing choice, yet few here have even acknowledged that. Instead everyone goes into character and picks a side so they can insult anyone not on their side.
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I'm getting more a vibe here of "it's just the flu bruh". In fact, that has been stated here many times. It doesn't sound like they want to do anything at all to address this, they just want to do back to their pre-COVID routines as if it doesn't exist.DBTrek wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:18 amI think that’s where most people are at.PartyOf5 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:19 amYes, we need to keep the economy moving. This is not a choice between opening things up and believing the virus is dangerous. It's both. Let's open things up safely and with the seriousness of the virus in mind. That seems to be too difficult for some people to deal with.
Minus the people rooting for the collapse of America while simultaneously carrying the Communist Chinese water for them, of course. I haven’t seen anyone actually say “open everything just like before, fuckit”. Though, people who hate capitalism have used that straw man in their arguments repeatedly.
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Nobody is against "any kind of measures to help prevent people from spreading this."
HAIL!
Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
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Well, I can’t speak for the forum, obviously, but my experience has been different. I’ve only noticed that saying anything other than “lockdown forever until there’s a vaccine, if ever” will earn you pages of fury and strawman arguments.
Reasonable measures, largely implemented by employers, and by governments over public spaces, is fine with me, if it all stays Constitutional.
We can’t be chucking our entire way of life and culture out the window every time a marginally dangerous bug shows up tho.
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The mutation rate of COVID-19 is trending how virologists expect similar viruses to mutate, and no one is concerned about it. The only ones concerned about "muh mutations" are the hysterical panic dealers giving up-to-the-minute bad data to their hysterical panic monkeys.PartyOf5 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 8:23 amYou will have more deaths as more people get infected. As more people get the virus, more people will die. You can't dispute that fact.Zlaxer wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:53 amPartyOf5 wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 6:06 amOfficial U.S. cases based on https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ stands at about 1.2m. That number is going to be low as some people never get tested. There are over 300m people in the US. There is no way 30% of the population has had it, even accounting for untested cases. Throwing numbers like that out there have no statistical ground to stand on.
So I say it's more than 1.2m, but not 25-30% of the population. If that was the case you would have higher deaths.
1) You would have higher deaths only if the kill rate is higher. You would have same number of deaths if kill rate remains same while more cases are discovered. Evidence is trending towards the later.
2) we tested small populations extensively and found incredibly high rates 30-40% of them already had it and showed no symptoms.
Even if you take you number that between 30-40% of New York has already been infected, you have at least 25,000 deaths with about 33% infected. If 100% of New York gets infected you will end up with over 75,000 dead. Just in New York.
What happens if this thing mutates?
Why are people against any kind of measures to help prevent people from spreading this? It is not an all or nothing choice, yet few here have even acknowledged that. Instead everyone goes into character and picks a side so they can insult anyone not on their side.
This is not Plague Inc., bud.
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This.
The US response has been wildly out of proportion to the actual risk posed. I could understand when we didn’t know much about it - but the numbers are in, and keep coming in. It’s no worse than a bad flu - prove otherwise with actual data.
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I am not sure you should accept the pronouncing of the virus being "marginally dangerous" from a clown who thinks it in any way intelligent to employ fallacies like "well, you are disabled so your argument is invalid".
In fact, it's extremely dangerous and the delusional thinking from conservatives right now is insane.
In fact, it's extremely dangerous and the delusional thinking from conservatives right now is insane.
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I haven't seen the comment in question, but if someone is giving you flak for being disabled, it's probably because you stand to lose the least by staying in indefinite quarantine, as you were doing a percentage of that anyway. Your life doesn't change that much and you don't have anyone to support other than yourself and whatever wench you've coaxed into your domicile.Speaker to Animals wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:26 amI am not sure you should accept the pronouncing of the virus being "marginally dangerous" from a clown who thinks it in any way intelligent to employ fallacies like "well, you are disabled so your argument is invalid".
In fact, it's extremely dangerous and the delusional thinking from conservatives right now is insane.
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