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by Speaker to Animals » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:23 am
Hastur wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:11 am
DBTrek wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:52 am
Hard to move production back to your own country when the other first world countries are going to continue to Use cheap global labor.
Who is buying $35 jeans made in America when everyone else is mass producing jeans out of Asia and selling for $19 a pair at Walmart?
I too wish we could move manufacturing back, but I don’t see how a businessman would make the labor costs work while still remaining competitive.
Prisoners dilemma.
I don’t think that is the case. Globalism / conservatism (better named market liberalism) failed catastrophically. The pandemic is bad enough but the failure of global capitalism is going to be historic.
I do not think the case can be made that there is anything rational about this. Companies that moved production to China but cannot move back might be nonexistent in the near future. Nobody can make an honest case in governments for allowing this any longer either.
The global capitalists were proven catastrophically wrong by the tragedy of their own failure. I pay them no mind and neitger should you.
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by DBTrek » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:45 am
Highest ... standard .. of living ... for humanity ... in the history of the world = catastrophic failure.
Don't even know where to go with that.
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by Speaker to Animals » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:57 am
DBTrek wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:45 am
Highest ... standard .. of living ... for humanity ... in the history of the world = catastrophic failure.
Don't even know where to go with that.
How is that working out now with a collapsing global evonomy?
The high standard of living was achieved under economic nationalism, btw, between 1945 and the early 90s..
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by DBTrek » Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:00 am
Speaker to Animals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:57 am
DBTrek wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:45 am
Highest ... standard .. of living ... for humanity ... in the history of the world = catastrophic failure.
Don't even know where to go with that.
How is that working out now with a collapsing global evonomy?
The biggest "crisis" of our generation includes to-your-door grocery delivery and free streaming movies.
I'd say it has to rank as pretty much the best crisis in human history.
Why?
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by Speaker to Animals » Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:12 am
DBTrek wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:00 am
Speaker to Animals wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:57 am
DBTrek wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:45 am
Highest ... standard .. of living ... for humanity ... in the history of the world = catastrophic failure.
Don't even know where to go with that.
How is that working out now with a collapsing global evonomy?
The biggest "crisis" of our generation includes to-your-door grocery delivery and free streaming movies.
I'd say it has to rank as pretty much the best crisis in human history.
Why?
Okay. It also includes a second great depression and nurses with bags on their heads instead of PPE because it was more profitable to offshore the manufacture of that stuff overseas. But I can get frozen pizza and beer delivered, so I at least have that going for me.
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by C-Mag » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:14 pm
There's enough PPE for nurses to waste it in choreographed tik tok videos.
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by Hastur » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:20 pm
Things have been running on empty for a long time. Growth doesn't translate into wealth. We don't remember what it was like to live in a world where things got better. Apart from microprocessor power very little have improved for the average citizen since the '70s. Just look at some documentary footage from your past neighborhood and you will easily spot a lot of decline in many ways.
An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna
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by C-Mag » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:45 pm
We just need to throw more money at the problem
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by TheReal_ND » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:07 pm
Alienation is the only consumer commodity I've managed to get enough of.
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by Speaker to Animals » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:44 pm
C-Mag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:14 pm
There's enough PPE for nurses to waste it in choreographed tik tok videos.
You can't even get disinfectant wipes because the textiles used to make them come from China. This was a colossal fucking failure of globalist capitalism. I refuse to even engage with people espousing that ideology until they acknowledge it is failed.
After this, we really need to come up with a list of essential industries and forbid those industries from being offshored. Never again do I want my country in this situation. This is disastrous and was utterly predictable.