Coronavirus thread

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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by BjornP » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:55 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:48 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:43 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:15 pm


How does that work exactly? All foreign nationals, or just Chinese?
We shouldn't do business with countries that practice slave labor and punish free speech for a start.
I believe that's called an embargo... Which is an act of war.

I'm not completely against it, just curious how you think an embargo against China would work out.
So... the US is at war with Russia and Iran, then? :think: Hint: Sanctions and embargoes are related, but not the same thing. Embargoes usually refer to using your ships or air forces to physically prevent goods entering the embargoed state. Sanctions don't go to that length. Don't really need to, either.
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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:03 pm

BjornP wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:55 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:48 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:43 pm


We shouldn't do business with countries that practice slave labor and punish free speech for a start.
I believe that's called an embargo... Which is an act of war.

I'm not completely against it, just curious how you think an embargo against China would work out.
So... the US is at war with Russia and Iran, then? :think: Hint: Sanctions and embargoes are related, but not the same thing. Embargoes usually refer to using your ships or air forces to physically prevent goods entering the embargoed state. Sanctions don't go to that length. Don't really need to, either.
You're right, but seizing assets is a step beyond sanctions, I believe.
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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by BjornP » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:09 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:03 pm

You're right, but seizing assets is a step beyond sanctions, I believe.
That much is true. Also, I doubt those many US companies who are part Chinese-owned, will enjoy being told by the US government who gets to buy their stocks or where they are allowed to locate their industries. There's a word for when the State ceases control of the means of production. One of those overused ones, like "Racism", begins with an "M"... :think:
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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:41 pm

BjornP wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:09 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:03 pm

You're right, but seizing assets is a step beyond sanctions, I believe.
That much is true. Also, I doubt those many US companies who are part Chinese-owned, will enjoy being told by the US government who gets to buy their stocks or where they are allowed to locate their industries. There's a word for when the State ceases control of the means of production. One of those overused ones, like "Racism", begins with an "M"... :think:
Didn't even consider stock/bond ownership... I suppose we could issue a directive against "physical real estate", but that would involve a MASSIVE sweep of the market.
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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by AverageJoe » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:11 pm

We have people now calling for even stricter social distancing to include closing all grocery stores to pickup/delivery only, any and all government services minus PD/FD, absolutely no travel outside of your home, etc. You have Governors taking revenge for protests with more.

Yet the numbers (barring NYC and possibly LA) continue to go down. Our "new cases" numbers here in my part of FL are lower than they were almost a month ago.

Why the sudden move to all these new upgraded restrictions? Is this push back by DNC government officials? I'm just not seeing the reasoning, just the announcements.

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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by BjornP » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:51 pm

AverageJoe wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:11 pm
We have people now calling for even stricter social distancing to include closing all grocery stores to pickup/delivery only, any and all government services minus PD/FD, absolutely no travel outside of your home, etc. You have Governors taking revenge for protests with more.

Yet the numbers (barring NYC and possibly LA) continue to go down. Our "new cases" numbers here in my part of FL are lower than they were almost a month ago.

Why the sudden move to all these new upgraded restrictions? Is this push back by DNC government officials? I'm just not seeing the reasoning, just the announcements.
Maybe because most of the media jobs are online publications, and those people cluster around major US cities. From 2017:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ast-215048
Where newspaper jobs are spread nationwide, internet jobs are not: Today, 73 percent of all internet publishing jobs are concentrated in either the Boston-New York-Washington-Richmond corridor or the West Coast crescent that runs from Seattle to San Diego and on to Phoenix. The Chicagoland area, a traditional media center, captures 5 percent of the jobs, with a paltry 22 percent going to the rest of the country. And almost all the real growth of internet publishing is happening outside the heartland, in just a few urban counties, all places that voted for Clinton. So when your conservative friends use “media” as a synonym for “coastal” and “liberal,” they’re not far off the mark.
Applied to the COVID outbreak, it would mean a higher likelihood of media employees painting the impact of the virus greater than it is for the whole country, if they are unable to differentiate their local perception of reality with the national perception of reality, or indeed national facts.
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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:52 pm

AverageJoe wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:11 pm
We have people now calling for even stricter social distancing to include closing all grocery stores to pickup/delivery only, any and all government services minus PD/FD, absolutely no travel outside of your home, etc. You have Governors taking revenge for protests with more.

Yet the numbers (barring NYC and possibly LA) continue to go down. Our "new cases" numbers here in my part of FL are lower than they were almost a month ago.

Why the sudden move to all these new upgraded restrictions? Is this push back by DNC government officials? I'm just not seeing the reasoning, just the announcements.
I believe it is called "sunk cost."

We need to keep throwing good money after bad, even though more restrictions will never actually bring us across the finish line - if the finish line is "no more COVID, ever."
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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by DBTrek » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:04 pm

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:52 pm
We need to keep throwing good money after bad, even though more restrictions will never actually bring us across the finish line - if the finish line is "no more COVID, ever."
Thank you "The State".
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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:11 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:04 pm
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:52 pm
We need to keep throwing good money after bad, even though more restrictions will never actually bring us across the finish line - if the finish line is "no more COVID, ever."
Thank you "The State".
;)
Oh, now, cognitive biases and fallacies find purchase with or without the State.
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Re: Coronavirus thread

Post by DBTrek » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:13 pm

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:11 pm
Oh, now, cognitive biases and fallacies find purchase with or without the State.
How would you know, state-born?
Your'e like a fish arguing that nothing is different for land-dwellers, but your fishy-tail has been swishing in the water every second of your little fish life.
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