Where'd This Shit Come From?

[Speaker to Animals]

Article also not peered reviewed....it’s possible... but smacks of PRC propaganda.

Here’s the journal article...

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2004999117


So the article says must have started outside Wuhan bc closest/oldest known virus in Wuhan is slightly different than known Bat strains....



Seems like a hard try to deflect blame away from PRC as it completely ignores that this variation could also show earliest known case in Wuhan may have been modified in lab and that’s why it’s different than known natural strains....

@StA - Please feel free to dig further through article and counter my observation.


And then we have this from the news article...



When did the PRC make this “record” available? Any proof of its date? Can anyone besides PRC verify this? Why is it only coming out now - after western governments have stated they have evidence it came from lab...Just saying this smells fishy...

Then there’s this gem:



So, we have a virus that shows up in a human that has mutations that would have had to occur at an unnatural rate to get from known bat virus to COVID-19.... what’s the most likely way that happened?


Btw, my vote is still natural/escaped from lab - but the more I read the Cambridge study the closer I get to hopping on the engineered bandwagon...

(1) Peer review is mostly bullshit (seriously). The paper's value stands on its reproducibility (guaranteed since it derives from a common data set) and the value of the data set from which it was derived (that part is admittedly by the researchers to be weak).


(2) What he is saying about the mutation rate is that this thing had to have been in circulation for quite a lot longer than Nov.

(2.1) First of all, the evidence does NOT support an origin anywhere in Wuhan currently (though that might change if they can get more data). Wherever the first epidemic began is where you will find the larger samples of type A covid and that's not Wuhan which was type B.

(2.2) Secondly, to his point about the mutation rate, there is no fucking way this thing began in November because there were too many mutations even in type A for it to have reached human carriers that recently. That was his point about mutations, not that it was engineered (which is highly doubtful).

(2.2.1) This conjecture is corroborated by California's state government who's own research has suggested an epidemic in California at least since Sep 2019. https://www.theblaze.com/coronavirus-or ... idge-study

(2.2.2) More research out of California shows incredibly high rates of infection in certain counties that would not support a late Jan / early Feb start. https://thehill.com/homenews/news/49339 ... widespread



The fact that we are months into this debacle and our federal government has still been unable to deploy sufficient tests to get a handle on what is actually going on is highly suspect to me. They could literally have just bought the tests from Germany or China if they really wanted to test (they never wanted to test). We even know very early on the CDC and FDA threatened a university professor with prison if she continued to test the subjects in her Seattle influenza study. She told them to get fucked and tested anyway. That was when we realized it was already community spread here, because until that point the CDC refused to test for community spread. They would only look at travelers from China or people in contact with infected travelers from China. It was a deliberate scheme to suppress evidence of community spread or the extent of the epidemic in the United States. The additional facts of probable epidemic in California before the Wuhan epidemic even began and the mutation rate not supporting a start date of the Nov/Dec Wuhan epidemic indicates there is quite a lot more to this story than our federal government is letting on. I don't know what the answer is other than that the federal government is completely full of shit. I think you ought to redirect your gaze towards Washington. This OMG CHINA shit is just RussiaGate 2.0, honestly.

To be fair, the limited testing capacity is not just due to the availability of the testing kits but also the lab' capacity to process the results.
With a serious lack of testing capacity, it is logical to restrict the testing to those most likely to be infected.
Not to absolve the powers that be from responsibility since they should have had better preparation but they can only act according to the capacity available at the time.
To insist on returning to normal before there is sufficient capacity to verify that someone has already had the virus and therefore may have immunity is idiotic, or should I say covidiotic?

In the United States, the lack of testing has been a deliberate policy since day one. The CDC initially limited testing (for what few tests they did produce) to only people who returned from China with symptoms or who had contact with a traveler from China who tested positive. It was designed to ignore community spread. Then they threatened professor Chu of the Seattle Influenza Project with prison if she continued to run her own covid tests on all her samples from the Seattle population. She told them to get fucked and did it anyway. That was when we realized it was already community spreading here.

Then California is starting to figure out it was already epidemic there at least since Sept.

Even now, the CDC and FDA block states from acquiring tests from anywhere but them and they refuse to produce enough of their own tests to make a difference.

But private research projects are starting to test at least for antibodies and they are finding it was much more widespread in parts of the United States than previously estimated.

This is not incompetence. It's deliberate policy designed to look like incompetence. If they really wanted to test people, they'd allow states to just buy the tests from Germany.

[Speaker to Animals]

How the hell was it epidemic in California at least a month before Wuhan if it began in Wuhan??

[pineapplemike]

california is in a different time zone fool

[Zlaxer]

california is in a different time zone fool

[Zlaxer]

One other thing to consider StA - your theory assumes that the PRC is being honest about their first reported cases....


I’ll still think it came from the dam lab, but I admit the A/B timeline is a potential issue that could go either way at this point.

The fact PRC tried so dam hard to cover their tracks is setting off more than a few alarms in my head.

But, I also find it plausible that it escaped from NC lab and US government trying like hell to make PRC patsies...

[Speaker to Animals]

One other thing to consider StA - your theory assumes that the PRC is being honest about their first reported cases....


I’ll still think it came from the dam lab, but I admit the A/B timeline is a potential issue that could go either way at this point.

The fact PRC tried so dam hard to cover their tracks is setting off more than a few alarms in my head.

But, I also find it plausible that it escaped from NC lab and US government trying like hell to make PRC patsies...

I don't assume shit about China. I am just telling you -- flat out -- the data does not support a beginning in Wuhan at all. Maybe it began somewhere else in China. I dunno. If it began in China at all, I would expect either Wuhan (because of the lab) or in in the SW of the nation where the bats are located. But if you are going to opine about the lab, the same amount of evidence you have to support that also supports a leak from UNC Chapel Hill (actually a bit more evidence in favor of UNC).

[C-Mag]

california is in a different time zone fool

[C-Mag]

(2.2.1) This conjecture is corroborated by California's state government who's own research has suggested an epidemic in California at least since Sep 2019. https://www.theblaze.com/coronavirus-or ... idge-study

(2.2.2) More research out of California shows incredibly high rates of infection in certain counties that would not support a late Jan / early Feb start. https://thehill.com/homenews/news/49339 ... widespread

If this is true, it only confirms how badly the WHO and CDC botched the entire thing.

It would also explain why California does not have a massive problem right now.

[Speaker to Animals]

Zlaxer, since I know you can grok this, you might want to take a gander at this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK285579/


In particular, the gain of function research that gave this coronavirus its infectiveness was done at UNC Chapel Hill. Others tried to shut down the research because it was so dangerous but it somehow got approved even though it was supposed to be illegal in most research contexts.

Even if you want to blame the Wuhan lab for leaking it (even though there is no evidence it was leaked from that lab in particular), the gain of function research was done here, on your tax dollars, and then sent over there.

[Speaker to Animals]

Researchers from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have discovered a new bat SARS-like virus that can jump directly from its bat hosts to humans without mutation. However, researchers point out that if the SARS-like virus did jump, it is still unclear whether it could spread from human to human.

The discovery, reported in the Nov. 9 issue of Nature Medicine, is notable not only because there is no treatment for this newly discovered virus, but also because it highlights an ongoing debate over the government's decision to suspend all gain of function experiments on a variety of select agents earlier this year. The move has put a substantial standstill on the development of vaccines or treatments for these pathogens should there be an outbreak.

"Studies have predicted the existence of nearly 5,000 coronaviruses in bat populations and some of these have the potential to emerge as human pathogens," said senior author Ralph Baric, a faculty member at the Gillings School of Global Public Health and expert in coronaviruses. "So this is not a situation of 'if 'there will be an outbreak of one of these coronaviruses but rather when and how prepared we'll be to address it."

SARS first jumped from animals to humans in 2002-2003 and caused a worldwide outbreak, resulting in 8,000 cases, including one case in Chapel Hill. With nearly 800 deaths during that outbreak, SARS-CoV presents much like flu symptoms but then can accelerate, compromise breathing and bring on a deadly form of pneumonia. The outbreak was controlled through public health interventions and the original virus was thought to have been extinct since 2004.

Baric and his team demonstrated that the newly-identified SARS-like virus, labeled SHC014-CoV and found in the Chinese horseshoe bats, can jump between bats and humans by showing that the virus can latch onto and use the same human and bat receptor for entry. The virus also replicates as well as SARS-CoV in primary human lung cells, the preferred target for infection.

"This virus is highly pathogenic and treatments developed against the original SARS virus in 2002 and the ZMapp drugs used to fight Ebola fail to neutralize and control this particular virus," said Baric. "So building resources, rather than limiting them, to both examine animal populations for new threats and develop therapeutics is key for limiting future outbreaks."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 115711.htm


That was literally the same virus that type A derived from.

The government initially shut him down because that gain of function research is incredibly dangerous (now obviously so). But they eventually let him do it.

That is where covid came from and that is why I suspect the entire federal government and corporate propaganda arm are going so hard at gaslighting the world right now.