W.H.O. (are you), WHO WHO

[Montegriffo]

Humans are 99% similar to chimps. Doesn’t mean I came from Africa.

LOL. We literally came from Africa. That's exactly what happened.

I was going to say the same.

[Speaker to Animals]

You have two versions of the contagion. One that is mild but causes immunity to both. By releasing that one to your own population you protect them against the more aggressive version that you spread among the enemy.
There is a theory that the Chinese have a milder version of the new corona and that they sprayed it in Wuhan after the bad virus got out by mistake.
Then they isolated Wuhan from the rest of China while still keeping the international flights going out.

The problem here is that the original variant is not endemic in China but, rather, the United States. We really should strongly consider whether this route of attack against China is worthwhile.

The genomic data is very sparse, so maybe with more samples this will sort itself out and the type A cases will be shown to be monopolized by some particular region of China (one should expect Yunnan), but right now.. nope. America.

If this really is a lab leak, then I would bet on UNC Chapel Hill based on what evidence we currently have.

It could still have leaked from Wuhan, but the conditional probability chain there is pretty bizarre: leaks from Wuhan Institute of Virology --> Somehow travels to the US --> spreads back to Wuhan where it mutates into type B and we begin to notice it as it goes epidemic in Wuhan..

Parsimony alone, however, should lead us to strongly consider the possibility of a lab leak. The odds that we collected this virus in 2013, were experimenting on it in several labs around the world (Wuhan, UNC Chapel Hill, and -- I think -- that lab in Canada), and then it just coincidentally was that very virus that made the leap from bats to humans somehow far away from the habitat of those particular horseshoe bats (even if you want to assume it began in Wuhan).. LOL

I still don't understand how you come to an American origin.

Zhou et al. (7) recently reported a closely related bat coronavirus, with 96.2% sequence similarity to the human virus. We use this bat virus as an outgroup, resulting in the root of the network being placed in a cluster of lineages which we have labeled “A.” Overall, the network, as expected in an ongoing outbreak, shows ancestral viral genomes existing alongside their newly mutated daughter genomes.

There are two subclusters of A which are distinguished by the synonymous mutation T29095C. In the T-allele subcluster, four Chinese individuals (from the southern coastal Chinese province of Guangdong) carry the ancestral genome, while three Japanese and two American patients differ from it by a number of mutations. These American patients are reported to have had a history of residence in the presumed source of the outbreak in Wuhan. The C-allele subcluster sports relatively long mutational branches and includes five individuals from Wuhan, two of which are represented in the ancestral node, and eight other East Asians from China and adjacent countries. It is noteworthy that nearly half (15/33) of the types in this subcluster, however, are found outside East Asia, mainly in the United States and Australia.

Two derived network nodes are striking in terms of the number of individuals included in the nodal type and in mutational branches radiating from these nodes. We have labeled these phylogenetic clusters B and C.

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2004999117

Type A is monopolized by Americans. That's the problem. Type A is the precursor to what went epidemic in Wuhan (type B). You would expect to find the ancestral mutation in the place where this first went epidemic (even if we didn't notice it at the time). We see type A predominantly in the United States and in Americans that were tested in China.

The data set is sparse, however, so there's no telling if that will hold as more data gets included. Right now, however, there is absolutely no evidence to prove that the pandemic began in Wuhan.

[Smitty-48]

If they want us to leave, we can go back to only sharing our content with each other, no big deal

But they'll regret it in the end, just like the last time

Fo sho, we can just use the MLW PM's

MLW is full of Normie Canadians who are boring as all shit

but the forum itself is swanky

but what about Monte ? What about Xeno ? What about the other people who join in from time to time?

I'll try to hold on to that if i can, if not, it's just you and me, kid, Corso Italia

I'm loathe to tell you what to do Smitty as I know little annoys you more but I would suggest that you try to keep the jibber-jabber to one place rather than spreading it all over the site. I think that is what gets people's backs up. Those of us who enjoy a bit of bants will know where to find you and those who don't appreciate it will have nothing to moan about. I wouldn't want you to flounce off again because you feel unwelcome.

Feeling pretty unwelcome right about now

feels bad man

can't have that when I am conducting JRJ operations

So ultimately I would have to leave, to foster the morale

[Speaker to Animals]

Humans are 99% similar to chimps. Doesn’t mean I came from Africa.

LOL. We literally came from Africa. That's exactly what happened.

I was going to say the same.

Here is an early depiction of SF's ancestors arriving in America (colorized).

[DBTrek]

Type A is monopolized by Americans. That's the problem. Type A is the precursor to what went epidemic in Wuhan (type B). You would expect to find the ancestral mutation in the place where this first went epidemic (even if we didn't notice it at the time). We see type A predominantly in the United States and in Americans that were tested in China.

The data set is sparse, however, so there's no telling if that will hold as more data gets included. Right now, however, there is absolutely no evidence to prove that the pandemic began in Wuhan.

No . . . evidence . . . the pandemic . . . began in Wuhan?
So, that being the first place to suffer a widespread outbreak, city-wide lock down, and being the epicenter from which the pandemic spread isn't evidence?

[StCapps]

Like, make no mistake, I could leave, I stayed away for almost a year

I do post to entertain myself, but if I am such a bother that all people want to do is hate on it, i can go

would get kind of boring around here without me tho, methinks

If they want us to leave, we can go back to only sharing our content with each other, no big deal

But they'll regret it in the end, just like the last time

Fo sho, we can just use the MLW PM's

MLW is full of Normie Canadians who are boring as all shit

but the forum itself is swanky

but what about Monte ? What about Xeno ? What about the other people who join in from time to time?

I'll try to hold on to that if i can, if not, it's just you and me, kid, Corso Italia

The faggots don't have the balls to run us off anyway


Plus Marty Hash has our back

[Montegriffo]

The data set is sparse, however, so there's no telling if that will hold as more data gets included. Right now, however, there is absolutely no evidence to prove that the pandemic began in Wuhan.

Really? None?
The first concentrations of infected people appeared in Wuhan.

[Montegriffo]

Type A is monopolized by Americans. That's the problem. Type A is the precursor to what went epidemic in Wuhan (type B). You would expect to find the ancestral mutation in the place where this first went epidemic (even if we didn't notice it at the time). We see type A predominantly in the United States and in Americans that were tested in China.

The data set is sparse, however, so there's no telling if that will hold as more data gets included. Right now, however, there is absolutely no evidence to prove that the pandemic began in Wuhan.

No . . . evidence . . . the pandemic . . . began in Wuhan?
So, that being the first place to suffer a widespread outbreak, city-wide lock down, and being the epicenter from which the pandemic spread isn't evidence?

Snap.

[StCapps]

Type A is monopolized by Americans. That's the problem. Type A is the precursor to what went epidemic in Wuhan (type B). You would expect to find the ancestral mutation in the place where this first went epidemic (even if we didn't notice it at the time). We see type A predominantly in the United States and in Americans that were tested in China.

The data set is sparse, however, so there's no telling if that will hold as more data gets included. Right now, however, there is absolutely no evidence to prove that the pandemic began in Wuhan.

No . . . evidence . . . the pandemic . . . began in Wuhan?
So, that being the first place to suffer a widespread outbreak, city-wide lock down, and being the epicenter from which the pandemic spread isn't evidence?

Snap.

It's not evidence to those who give China a pass for everything and want to blame America and The West for all the worlds problems, confirmation bias is a helluva drug

[Smitty-48]

The faggots don't have the balls to run us off anyway


Plus Marty Hash has our back

i just feel my flow

if I bounce, it's only to defend my joy as strength