FUCK THE PRC

[Speaker to Animals]

Posting this here as well for the sake of historical accuracy if anybody goes back and reads these threads. This is why you don't engage in retarded blame shifting.

Not sure if I should put this here or in the retarded "Let's blame China" thread..

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2004999117

Genome data points to the United States as the origin for the ancestral A-type of the virus, not Wuhan.

All the dumbass conservatives trying to shift blame on China are about to get their asses handed to them, and all of America along with them for this stupidity.

[Zlaxer]

Where do you get that from the paper?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Where do you get that from the paper?

Was thinking the same... I don’t think he read it carefully.

[Speaker to Animals]

Forster and colleagues found that the closest type of COVID-19 to the one discovered in bats -- type 'A', the "original human virus genome" -- was present in Wuhan, but surprisingly was not the city's predominant virus type.

Mutated versions of 'A' were seen in Americans reported to have lived in Wuhan, and a large number of A-type viruses were found in patients from the US and Australia.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 085644.htm


A-type is found in America and amongst many Americans tested in China early on. What we are dealing with now is the C-type. The data shows two possible origins for the A-type, one of them is the United States, and the other is elsewhere in China. Before that is just the genome for the original bat virus.

It is still possible A-type began in SE China, but it is also possible it began here in the US.

Interestingly, a paper in California argues the latest possible community spread there was at best December 2019, which would support the possibility that type A was already circulating here by that time.

https://abc7news.com/bay-area-coronavir ... n/6099528/

Meanwhile, if you take a look at the CDC estimates for the influenza season, you see a possible 100% increase in deaths attributed to influenza. While it is possible that we also just had a horrendous influenza mutation this season, if there was a type A sars-cov-2 circulating in the US since last Fall completely undetected, then you'd expect to see a huge increase in deaths attributed to influenza.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm

The good news: if antibodies from type A work against type C, and if a large percentage of us have those antibodies, then we can deploy antibody tests ASAP and stave off a second Great Depression.

[Speaker to Animals]

Here is the chart:



From the original bat virus genome, there are two possible precursors to the type A. One is China (I think authors suspect SE China if I remember correctly) and the other is USA.


All of this matters quite a lot because the salient question that arises: are we much closer to herd immunity than we thought? If you assume a China origin, then the US is probably no more than 1% infected/closed with about 3k fatalities per day during a peak. To reach herd immunity, you would need to get about 70% infected or closed. That would imply an estimate of about 210,000 fatalities per day during a peak if we can continue to keep the ICU beds from being depleted.

But if some percentage of us already have antibodies from the type A, and if those confer at least partial immunity to type C, we can start trickling out of isolation and back to work if we test positive with an antibody test.


edit:

forgot to add "per peak" to 3k fatalities. To get a handle on that math, check out Thunderfoot's latest quick rundown on them.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Too late to stop the Depression. Fed printed off a cool $20 Trillion, ensuring that we won't recover monetary value in this decade.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's starting to hit the press.

According to the Daily Mail, analysis of the genetic history of SARS-CoV-2 or the novel coronavirus shows that Type A, which is the strain that came from bats and jumped to humans from pangolins, was not common in China--the origin of the outbreak.

Instead, Type B, which is derived from Type A coronavirus via two mutations, is more prevalent in the country, specifically in ground zero: Wuhan.

Nevertheless, the original variation has been found in over 400,000 COVID-19 cases in the United States and Australia.

Two-thirds of the samples acquired from the U.S. showed that they have a Type A novel coronavirus and that the infected patients did not come from New York, which is considered an epicenter of the COVID-19 infection in the U.S.

Instead, most of the patients came from the West Coast.

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/2487 ... iation.htm


We obviously need quite a lot more data to say for sure. This is becoming one of the greatest science mysteries of all time.

[Zlaxer]

It's starting to hit the press.

According to the Daily Mail, analysis of the genetic history of SARS-CoV-2 or the novel coronavirus shows that Type A, which is the strain that came from bats and jumped to humans from pangolins, was not common in China--the origin of the outbreak.

Instead, Type B, which is derived from Type A coronavirus via two mutations, is more prevalent in the country, specifically in ground zero: Wuhan.

Nevertheless, the original variation has been found in over 400,000 COVID-19 cases in the United States and Australia.

Two-thirds of the samples acquired from the U.S. showed that they have a Type A novel coronavirus and that the infected patients did not come from New York, which is considered an epicenter of the COVID-19 infection in the U.S.

Instead, most of the patients came from the West Coast.

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/2487 ... iation.htm


We obviously need quite a lot more data to say for sure. This is becoming one of the greatest science mysteries of all time.

I’m not following you. The virus is from bats native to China - there’s evidence China was experimenting with this virus (or close relatives) at least 2 years ago or more - the first known Americans to catch covid had direct contact with Wuhan....what am I missing?

Even your own evidence tends to show Chinese connection - West Coast is a boat or plane ride from Wuhan - NYC looks like it got it from Europe (although all major strains have been found). We know covid spreads via packages - how many of those used to come from China - trying to see your point....what is your theory then?

[Zlaxer]

Just bc one type is more prevalent in US doesn’t mean it started here - just means that one took off one it got here.

[Zlaxer]

I mean, run your logic the other way, if it started in US, how come type B is so prevalent in China?