I'm simplifying for you but I don't believe trends/forces are the primary driver in historical events and hing moments anymore than great to evil men combined with the cycles of life and civilization. Evil isn't easy to control and actually I believe more people are "evil" and selfish than most care to admit.StCapps wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:48 pmTo you the most powerful people having control and using it for evil is more comforting than they don't have control and a lot of the evil isn't so easily controlled. Control freak confirmation bias.GloryofGreece wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:44 pmDisagree but I will never convince you nor you me. Bahahaha. Internets useless.
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even the evil and selfish do most of their paving that way, they don't see themselves as the villain, they see themselves as the hero, that's what motivates them to keep paving.GloryofGreece wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:52 pmEvil isn't easy to control and actually I believe more people are "evil" and selfish than most care to admit.
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This quote gets thrown around a lot, but that CS Lewis quote where he says he'd rather be ruled by greedy plutocrats than "idealist" reformer types, because eventually the greedy guy will be satisfied, but the idealist can literally torture people to death and sleep well because they think they are good.StCapps wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:53 pmThe road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even the evil and selfish do most of their paving that way, they don't see themselves as the villain, they see themselves as the hero, that's what motivates them to keep paving.GloryofGreece wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:52 pmEvil isn't easy to control and actually I believe more people are "evil" and selfish than most care to admit.
Just looking at the news lately, I think many journalists are cynical lowlifes, but I think a lot of them are the latter category CS Lewis mentioned. Those were the fucks that were cheering Mao on during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a plan to "improve" society.
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A pox on all reformers. Results matter, good intentions are not enough.heydaralon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pmThis quote gets thrown around a lot, but that CS Lewis quote where he says he'd rather be ruled by greedy plutocrats than "idealist" reformer types, because eventually the greedy guy will be satisfied, but the idealist can literally torture people to death and sleep well because they think they are good.StCapps wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:53 pmThe road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even the evil and selfish do most of their paving that way, they don't see themselves as the villain, they see themselves as the hero, that's what motivates them to keep paving.GloryofGreece wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:52 pmEvil isn't easy to control and actually I believe more people are "evil" and selfish than most care to admit.
Just looking at the news lately, I think many journalists are cynical lowlifes, but I think a lot of them are the latter category CS Lewis mentioned. Those were the fucks that were cheering Mao on during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a plan to "improve" society.
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The implication of all reformers seems to be that you are stupid and unable to make decisions on your own. Or rather, that you cannot be allowed to make the wrong ones. Nanny state and we are all toddlers. Fuck that shit.StCapps wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:23 pmA pox on all reformers. Results matter, good intentions are not enough.heydaralon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pmThis quote gets thrown around a lot, but that CS Lewis quote where he says he'd rather be ruled by greedy plutocrats than "idealist" reformer types, because eventually the greedy guy will be satisfied, but the idealist can literally torture people to death and sleep well because they think they are good.
Just looking at the news lately, I think many journalists are cynical lowlifes, but I think a lot of them are the latter category CS Lewis mentioned. Those were the fucks that were cheering Mao on during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a plan to "improve" society.
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Amen.heydaralon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:20 pmThe implication of all reformers seems to be that you are stupid and unable to make decisions on your own. Or rather, that you cannot be allowed to make the wrong ones. Nanny state and we are all toddlers. Fuck that shit.StCapps wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:23 pmA pox on all reformers. Results matter, good intentions are not enough.heydaralon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pm
This quote gets thrown around a lot, but that CS Lewis quote where he says he'd rather be ruled by greedy plutocrats than "idealist" reformer types, because eventually the greedy guy will be satisfied, but the idealist can literally torture people to death and sleep well because they think they are good.
Just looking at the news lately, I think many journalists are cynical lowlifes, but I think a lot of them are the latter category CS Lewis mentioned. Those were the fucks that were cheering Mao on during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a plan to "improve" society.
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Please elaborate.
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I think he refers to the worship of the elite. The technocrats work like the socialist intelligentsia. The know what is "best for everyone" mostly meaning what is best for themselves. In the grass roots they have a lot of followers, useful idiots who want to turn over all the power to them, so they don't have to think for themselves.
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When the Communists take over, the Intelligentsia (Socialist or otherwise) are first against the wall.Hastur wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:49 pmI think he refers to the worship of the elite. The technocrats work like the socialist intelligentsia. The know what is "best for everyone" mostly meaning what is best for themselves. In the grass roots they have a lot of followers, useful idiots who want to turn over all the power to them, so they don't have to think for themselves.
My kingdom for a skilled technocrat.
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The skilled technocrat is like the enlightened monarch. It's an exception to the rule. Most technocrats are just very talented at rising in a bureaucracy.Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:27 amWhen the Communists take over, the Intelligentsia (Socialist or otherwise) are first against the wall.Hastur wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:49 pmI think he refers to the worship of the elite. The technocrats work like the socialist intelligentsia. The know what is "best for everyone" mostly meaning what is best for themselves. In the grass roots they have a lot of followers, useful idiots who want to turn over all the power to them, so they don't have to think for themselves.
My kingdom for a skilled technocrat.
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