SARS Pt. 2 - Wuhan Boogaloo

[Smitty-48]

There was a line up at Costco, people were getting into fist fights, like it's the brink of World War Three.

Costco is back up to $302, down less than 10% off its all time high, not even in correction

[BjornP]

Bjorn, the media's credibility is at an all time low. Think about how badly they have read this situation. Think of their track record in the last 4 years alone. Brexit, Trump, Syrian War, Impeachment and the list goes on. They have been clawing and grasping for anything to gain back the credibility they lost. Lo and behold! This virus appeared right before the election. This shit isn't a big deal. You have even said as much. Obama was around during swine flu, but the media coverage of him was vastly different. Why is that?

All of your media treated him positively during the swine flu? And is there any sort of difference in what the two (Trump and Obama) did (I have no idea how Obama reacted during the swine flu)?

I'm sure your media isn't credible and that they're politicizing and making the virus more dangerous than it really is. That's just got nothing to do with how all the governments of the world are communicating to the public, and/or how all the media of the world are reporting on the coronavirus, though. Neither the government, nor (non-tabloid) media here are presenting the growing infection rate as sign of impending doom and both politicians and media have scolded those people who have taken to hoard common groceries like toilet paper and saying that there is no reason to panic. The measures taken so far are simply to lower the speed of new infected.

[heydaralon]

Bjorn, the media's credibility is at an all time low. Think about how badly they have read this situation. Think of their track record in the last 4 years alone. Brexit, Trump, Syrian War, Impeachment and the list goes on. They have been clawing and grasping for anything to gain back the credibility they lost. Lo and behold! This virus appeared right before the election. This shit isn't a big deal. You have even said as much. Obama was around during swine flu, but the media coverage of him was vastly different. Why is that?

All of your media treated him positively during the swine flu? And is there any sort of difference in what the two (Trump and Obama) did (I have no idea how Obama reacted during the swine flu)?

I'm sure your media isn't credible and that they're politicizing and making the virus more dangerous than it really is. That's just got nothing to do with how all the governments of the world are communicating to the public, and/or how all the media of the world are reporting on the coronavirus, though. Neither the government, nor (non-tabloid) media here are presenting the growing infection rate as sign of impending doom and both politicians and media have scolded those people who have taken to hoard common groceries like toilet paper and saying that there is no reason to panic. The measures taken so far are simply to lower the speed of new infected.

Just from doing a quick google, 22 million Americans got swine flu. At least 4000 Americans died. I could spin that however I wanted. I could say that a tragedy was averted and that this was the Spanish Flu, or I could say that the admin dropped the ball and caused more deaths than 9/11. Of course, most Americans didn't give a rats ass about it and carried on with their lives (my buddy used Swine Flu as an excuse to get out of a Calculus Exam in college).

My point is that this is an example of a self fulfilling prophecy. If the media says that this will cause a panic that will affect markets, it will. There are plenty of scientists and epidemiologists (epidemi being the latin word for epic as in a long book like Of Mice and Men) who have pointed out this flu is nothing, and they are not on CNN. Only the prophets of doom are getting air time. Why is that? Try to figure out the political benefits of this. It shouldn't take long.

[BjornP]

Bjorn, even though you are conditioned to love the gov't, deep state, and media, and are actually grateful they steal 60% of your paycheck, you have to understand, liberty is still valued by some people in the West. It takes a while to find them, as you have to fly all the way across the Atlantic to get there, but here in the states some of us are not fullblown Jonestown. This isn't like Allahborg with a hammer and sickle in every home plus a picture of Merkel. You won't believe this, but I will tell you anyway: Just because someone wearing a suit on television tells you to worry about something, doesn't mean you should. Crazy right? Freedom always seems crazy to Marxists tho.

Incomprehensible gibberish aimed at a non-existing society I don't live in, with no discernable relation to the topic of coronavirus. The people advocating measures such as self-quarenteeningg if infected, are doctors.

[heydaralon]

Bjorn, even though you are conditioned to love the gov't, deep state, and media, and are actually grateful they steal 60% of your paycheck, you have to understand, liberty is still valued by some people in the West. It takes a while to find them, as you have to fly all the way across the Atlantic to get there, but here in the states some of us are not fullblown Jonestown. This isn't like Allahborg with a hammer and sickle in every home plus a picture of Merkel. You won't believe this, but I will tell you anyway: Just because someone wearing a suit on television tells you to worry about something, doesn't mean you should. Crazy right? Freedom always seems crazy to Marxists tho.

Incomprehensible gibberish aimed at a non-existing society I don't live in, with no discernable relation to the topic of coronavirus. The people advocating measures such as self-quarenteeningg if infected, are doctors.

Nice strawman Bjorn. I am actually sticking to the issue at hand but continue with the petty insults by all means. Your post is also an example of the Post Hoc Preptor Hoc fallacy too.

[Smitty-48]

A fight broke out at the line up for panic buying down in Toronto

Two people were taken to hospital and one was arrested for drawing a gun.

This is in Canada.

Covfefe

[BjornP]

My point is that this is an example of a self fulfilling prophecy. If the media says that this will cause a panic that will affect markets, it will. There are plenty of scientists and epidemiologists who have pointed out this flu is nothing, and they are not on CNN. Only the prophets of doom are getting air time. Why is that? Try to figure out the political benefits of this. It shouldn't take long.

Some of that is true, sure. However, the economic impact isn't simply from "the markets", as in the psychological effect media will have on the stock exchange. If you got a sizeable amount of the workforce who have contracted even a mild, and thus most common, case of the coronavirus, i.e. flu-like symptoms, that's going to cause labor shortages for at least a week (apparantly takes 2 weeks to be non-contagious, though). And those workers may have infected their co-workers who will get sick a week later. That's even if we discount the option of, or need for, quarentines.

Arguing against doing anything at all because some media are going into panic mode either because they're genuinely panicking, or they know panic sells, is also not very reasonable. It ain't Spanish Flu, or even SARS, it's a flu... but a highly contagious flu that you can't go down to the pharmacy and get some quickfix for. Therefore it has to just sorta run its course. But for health-economic reasons, economic in the sense that there are only so many doctors and so many hospital beds, that course has to be stretched out over time.

[heydaralon]

My point is that this is an example of a self fulfilling prophecy. If the media says that this will cause a panic that will affect markets, it will. There are plenty of scientists and epidemiologists who have pointed out this flu is nothing, and they are not on CNN. Only the prophets of doom are getting air time. Why is that? Try to figure out the political benefits of this. It shouldn't take long.

Some of that is true, sure. However, the economic impact isn't simply from "the markets", as in the psychological effect media will have on the stock exchange. If you got a sizeable amount of the workforce who have contracted even a mild, and thus most common, case of the coronavirus, i.e. flu-like symptoms, that's going to cause labor shortages for at least a week (apparantly takes 2 weeks to be non-contagious, though). And those workers may have infected their co-workers who will get sick a week later. That's even if we discount the option of, or need for, quarentines.

Arguing against doing anything at all because some media are going into panic mode either because they're genuinely panicking, or they know panic sells, is also not very reasonable. It ain't Spanish Flu, or even SARS, it's a flu... but a highly contagious flu that you can't go down to the pharmacy and get some quickfix for. Therefore it has to just sorta run its course. But for health-economic reasons, economic in the sense that there are only so many doctors and so many hospital beds, that course has to be stretched out over time.

Fair enough, but as Smitty pointed out, why is the UK not shutting down the way America is? Its not like the UK is some Isolationist Hermit Kingdom. They are just as exposed as America is to COVD. Clearly, their experts don't agree with America's. The media here is adding fuel to this fire so it burns like a Kuwaiti oil well. They are stirring up some shit. Ironically, this may just be the push that is needed for our wall to be built.

A wall would do wonders to stop Coronavirus. Especially if it was made very tall and thick, with a minefield on either side. A moat+a fleet of drones which pick up heat signatures and Ultraviolet light could identify Corona well, as the Rio Grande creates tropical conditions ideal for its incubation.

[BjornP]

Fair enough, but as Smitty pointed out, why is the UK not shutting down the way America is? Its not like the UK is some Isolationist Hermit Kingdom. They are just as exposed as America is to COVD. Clearly, their experts don't agree with America's. The media here is adding fuel to this fire so it burns like a Kuwaiti oil well. They are stirring up some shit. Ironically, this may just be the push that is needed for our wall to be built.

A wall would do wonders to stop Coronavirus. Especially if it was made very tall and thick, with a minefield on either side. A moat+a fleet of drones which pick up heat signatures and Ultraviolet light could identify Corona well, as the Rio Grande creates tropical conditions ideal for its incubation.

Because there is nothing that cannot be politicized to a ridiculous degree in US media, I guess? Welfare states are "Marxist" and border control is "racist". Hysteria, hyperbole, tailor made news to be outraged at, and an insistance that one must belong to one of the only two political tribes.

And yeah, you should get a big, beautiful wall. Government prestige projects with no to little real effect is after all not Marxism. And it will protect Mexicans from getting COVID from Americans. But if it makes you feel good, you should arm the wall with a fleet of small drones, carrying sanitizer sprinklers that will hover over the masses trying to get in legally. And carrying injector needles with leprosy for anyone caught trying to enter illegally.

[Montegriffo]

My point is that this is an example of a self fulfilling prophecy. If the media says that this will cause a panic that will affect markets, it will. There are plenty of scientists and epidemiologists who have pointed out this flu is nothing, and they are not on CNN. Only the prophets of doom are getting air time. Why is that? Try to figure out the political benefits of this. It shouldn't take long.

Some of that is true, sure. However, the economic impact isn't simply from "the markets", as in the psychological effect media will have on the stock exchange. If you got a sizeable amount of the workforce who have contracted even a mild, and thus most common, case of the coronavirus, i.e. flu-like symptoms, that's going to cause labor shortages for at least a week (apparantly takes 2 weeks to be non-contagious, though). And those workers may have infected their co-workers who will get sick a week later. That's even if we discount the option of, or need for, quarentines.

Arguing against doing anything at all because some media are going into panic mode either because they're genuinely panicking, or they know panic sells, is also not very reasonable. It ain't Spanish Flu, or even SARS, it's a flu... but a highly contagious flu that you can't go down to the pharmacy and get some quickfix for. Therefore it has to just sorta run its course. But for health-economic reasons, economic in the sense that there are only so many doctors and so many hospital beds, that course has to be stretched out over time.

Fair enough, but as Smitty pointed out, why is the UK not shutting down the way America is? Its not like the UK is some Isolationist Hermit Kingdom. They are just as exposed as America is to COVD. Clearly, their experts don't agree with America's. The media here is adding fuel to this fire so it burns like a Kuwaiti oil well. They are stirring up some shit. Ironically, this may just be the push that is needed for our wall to be built.

A wall would do wonders to stop Coronavirus. Especially if it was made very tall and thick, with a minefield on either side. A moat+a fleet of drones which pick up heat signatures and Ultraviolet light could identify Corona well, as the Rio Grande creates tropical conditions ideal for its incubation.

As Smitty pointed out, the UK is trying to avoid jumping the shark too early. We are up to 4 weeks behind some parts of Europe in terms of the spread of the virus. We also have a different demographic to Italy in terms of the average age of the population. We also have far fewer old people living with their extended families like they do in other countries and we don't do all that kissing each other on the cheek that the Latin nations do.
I've been in small bars in France where every new person who walks through the door will go around every table kissing everyone, whether they know them or not. I found it rather intrusive as it kept breaking up any conversations you were having and eventually got quite irritated by it. It is, however, a cultural difference that may have the effect of putting the UK a few weeks behind the curve in this virus.
It's not that the UK isn't going to impose the same restrictions as the rest of Europe, we are just going to do it later.