SARS Pt. 2 - Wuhan Boogaloo

[Speaker to Animals]

I have a suspicion that there is something the world is missing here. When the disease first breaks out, you see only old people dying. But in Wuhan we were seeing young people dying too. Now it was announced a 24 year old nurse in Iran died Tuesday from the virus. What few deaths of relatively young that were individually publicized out of China also involved healthcare workers.

China has confirmed that, without any doubt, people can and do easily get reinfected. Some papers published about 2-3 weeks ago speculated that the second infection is much more fatal because the virus uses the antibodies to actually infect the immune system’s T cells, hence why the Chinese doctors were initially calling this Airborne AIDS.

Wuhan and now parts of Iran have apparently reached this stage where people were infected in the first wave, with mild symptoms and maybe 2% fatalities as the elderly with co-morbid disease die, only to see a second wave of infections that have the really high fatalities that takes the young and old alike. There are other diseases that work in this manner (e.g. dengue). I think they called the mechanism ADE, though I am not 100% on how that mechanism works.

But it stands to reason the people most likely to get infected twice (health care workers, police, etc) will rank at the top of the list of younger fatalities categorized by occupation. That is what people might want to look for. I have zero faith in the CDC or WHO ever publicly admitting this until it is obviously the case, and then they switch to narrative management and damage control. Independent researchers and analysts need access to the demographic data to find patterns like this.

[C-Mag]

I don't believe that anyone is being transparent about this disease. It's a very good likelihood it was Engineered. It's possible 21st C. humans wrote their own dystopian demise with science. I'm not saying that's what's happening, but the irony would be fantastic. A digital society dies because someone engineered a disease.

For me, I attribute most the healthcare workers death to being over taxed, working 24/7 for weeks and coming in contact with the disease constantly.

Personally, I think this disease is manageable, until it swamps your healthcare system, then it's Natural Selection.

[Hastur]

I have a suspicion that there is something the world is missing here. When the disease first breaks out, you see only old people dying. But in Wuhan we were seeing young people dying too. Now it was announced a 24 year old nurse in Iran died Tuesday from the virus. What few deaths of relatively young that were individually publicized out of China also involved healthcare workers.

China has confirmed that, without any doubt, people can and do easily get reinfected. Some papers published about 2-3 weeks ago speculated that the second infection is much more fatal because the virus uses the antibodies to actually infect the immune system’s T cells, hence why the Chinese doctors were initially calling this Airborne AIDS.

Wuhan and now parts of Iran have apparently reached this stage where people were infected in the first wave, with mild symptoms and maybe 2% fatalities as the elderly with co-morbid disease die, only to see a second wave of infections that have the really high fatalities that takes the young and old alike. There are other diseases that work in this manner (e.g. dengue). I think they called the mechanism ADE, though I am not 100% on how that mechanism works.

But it stands to reason the people most likely to get infected twice (health care workers, police, etc) will rank at the top of the list of younger fatalities categorized by occupation. That is what people might want to look for. I have zero faith in the CDC or WHO ever publicly admitting this until it is obviously the case, and then they switch to narrative management and damage control. Independent researchers and analysts need access to the demographic data to find patterns like this.

A healthy immune system can be a liability if the infection can cause Cytokine release syndrome. It is widely believed that that was the reason the Spanish flu killed such disproportionately high number of healthy young adults.

[Speaker to Animals]

I have a suspicion that there is something the world is missing here. When the disease first breaks out, you see only old people dying. But in Wuhan we were seeing young people dying too. Now it was announced a 24 year old nurse in Iran died Tuesday from the virus. What few deaths of relatively young that were individually publicized out of China also involved healthcare workers.

China has confirmed that, without any doubt, people can and do easily get reinfected. Some papers published about 2-3 weeks ago speculated that the second infection is much more fatal because the virus uses the antibodies to actually infect the immune system’s T cells, hence why the Chinese doctors were initially calling this Airborne AIDS.

Wuhan and now parts of Iran have apparently reached this stage where people were infected in the first wave, with mild symptoms and maybe 2% fatalities as the elderly with co-morbid disease die, only to see a second wave of infections that have the really high fatalities that takes the young and old alike. There are other diseases that work in this manner (e.g. dengue). I think they called the mechanism ADE, though I am not 100% on how that mechanism works.

But it stands to reason the people most likely to get infected twice (health care workers, police, etc) will rank at the top of the list of younger fatalities categorized by occupation. That is what people might want to look for. I have zero faith in the CDC or WHO ever publicly admitting this until it is obviously the case, and then they switch to narrative management and damage control. Independent researchers and analysts need access to the demographic data to find patterns like this.

A healthy immune system can be a liability if the infection can cause Cytokine release syndrome. It is widely believed that that was the reason the Spanish flu killed such disproportionately high number of healthy young adults.

Yeah, that is another issue. But my suspicion is something different. Some viruses can use their associated antibodies against the host to infect the immune system cells themselves. My concern is that this is one. People looking at the first pass and not being worried because only old people die (which honestly belies an evil nature in if itself) might be surprised to find themselves suddenly collapsing in the streets and dying as we are now seeing in South Korea and Iran.

[GloryofGreece]

Interesting hypothesis and fleshing some virology out.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180967178/

Who knows if its relevant to the current virus and what to do about it if its true. I'm watching confirmed cases in at least partially more transparent countries other than China and Iran. I think Singapore (proximity and lots of international travel) + good infrastructure , Japan, US , Canada, Australia , and the Diamond cruise ship cases are all worth watching what happens to "recovered" patients.

[GloryofGreece]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... 9-11944295

Philip Tierno Jr, professor of microbiology and pathology at New York University, said: "Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms.

"And then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs."

[Speaker to Animals]

Like this:

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — It’s possible to get infected by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) a second time, according to doctors on the frontline in China’s city of Wuhan, leading to death from heart failure in some cases.

The claim is made by doctors working in the Hubei Province capital that is at the center of the epidemic, which has to date infected 64,201 people and killed 1,487. One of the doctors reached out to a relative living in the United Kingdom, who then informed Taiwan News.

Both the relative and doctors asked to remain anonymous, out of consideration they might face retribution from the Chinese authorities. The doctor, Li Wenliang (李文亮), who first raised warnings about the Wuhan virus, was rebuked by the authorities before succumbing to the devastating disease himself earlier this month.

According to the message forwarded to Taiwan News, “It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure.”

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

[TheReal_ND]

It's all about supply chains.

Here's the thing, lets say I have a hankering for peas with dinner tonight - I go to the store and buy canned or frozen (I'd buy frozen because I don't like canned peas, they're mush)...

Well, the peas themselves might actually have been grown here in the US. But where did the tinned steel for that can come from? Maybe...



What if it comes from China, and they're not shipping anything right now? Or maybe frozen it's plastic bags... What if they're made in China too and just shipped over here in big rolls to be filled with peas and sealed?

We have a good paper industry so maybe the box for your crackers or Wheaties is made here... But what about those plastic inner liner bags?

The trouble with a globalized supply chain is things can come from anywhere, and if you rely on one bit - say that inner plastic cereal bag for your Wheaties, and it comes from a country that's shut down from a endemic virus outbreak, then what?

And when you've built your entire chain around "just in time", even a two month lapse can spell big trouble.


...and sorry dude, but I'm not broke by a long shot, and I'm not selling anything.

This picture is fake. Those are called mults. I've worked with those. There is no writing on them.

[GloryofGreece]

Like this:

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — It’s possible to get infected by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) a second time, according to doctors on the frontline in China’s city of Wuhan, leading to death from heart failure in some cases.

The claim is made by doctors working in the Hubei Province capital that is at the center of the epidemic, which has to date infected 64,201 people and killed 1,487. One of the doctors reached out to a relative living in the United Kingdom, who then informed Taiwan News.

Both the relative and doctors asked to remain anonymous, out of consideration they might face retribution from the Chinese authorities. The doctor, Li Wenliang (李文亮), who first raised warnings about the Wuhan virus, was rebuked by the authorities before succumbing to the devastating disease himself earlier this month.

According to the message forwarded to Taiwan News, “It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure.”

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

That could be an important link in what you/us are missing when thinking about this second infection problem. What are the "meds" , what are the side effects etc. and can people recover without them and hence be ok or at least not dead if they have the misfortune of turning around and getting infected again soon/ish after "recovering". Also, this is different than what the microbiologist/disease specialist was saying in the article ill be it short article i linked.

[Speaker to Animals]

Like this:

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — It’s possible to get infected by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) a second time, according to doctors on the frontline in China’s city of Wuhan, leading to death from heart failure in some cases.

The claim is made by doctors working in the Hubei Province capital that is at the center of the epidemic, which has to date infected 64,201 people and killed 1,487. One of the doctors reached out to a relative living in the United Kingdom, who then informed Taiwan News.

Both the relative and doctors asked to remain anonymous, out of consideration they might face retribution from the Chinese authorities. The doctor, Li Wenliang (李文亮), who first raised warnings about the Wuhan virus, was rebuked by the authorities before succumbing to the devastating disease himself earlier this month.

According to the message forwarded to Taiwan News, “It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure.”

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

That could be an important link in what you/us are missing when thinking about this second infection problem. What are the "meds" , what are the side effects etc. and can people recover without them and hence be ok or at least not dead if they have the misfortune of turning around and getting infected again soon/ish after "recovering". Also, this is different than what the microbiologist/disease specialist was saying in the article ill be it short article i linked.

The data is staring us in the face. First wave of infections we have seen outside of China have killed maybe 2% of the infected, and all of them are relatively old people. But in Wuhan we saw young people dying, literally dropping dead in the streets out of nowhere from heart attacks and sometimes convulsive spasms. That's not what was happening on Disaster Princess.

Now we are seeing that effect in Iran and South Korea. Images and footage are coming out of younger people dropping dead in the streets. My working theory here is that we could be seeing a huge spread of this disease that goes undetected. You might experience it as a cold. The really deadly outbreaks come out of nowhere in places like this because they weren't looking for the first infections and they suddenly see the second round of infections.

It very well has already spread across many of our cities, especially out west where there are a fuck ton of Asians who came here from China during the beginning of the epidemic. Nobody was testing for it. This latest case in California that is from community spread only finally was tested after days and days of the CDC refusing to test him. There are reports of people getting billed over three thousand dollars for being tested when they returned from Asia and presented with fever and flu-like symptoms. LOTS of Americans cannot afford the basic preventative measures in the first place.

Our country is actually probably on par with the third world nations in terms of a health care system that can actually handle this thing. It's a rapacious, fucking useless healthcare system. China's healthcare system was better prepared for this shit than us. At least in China poor people could actually show up and get seen by doctors in emergency rooms and urgent care clinics. We don't even have that.