MHF Democrat Primary Poll

[StCapps]

I don’t think the .01% increase in 4 years is going to cut it with voters.

They voted for people who gave them less, especially incumbents, so your theory is incorrect, it's pure feelz.

You’re referring to politics pre-Great Recession. Things have changed, dramatically.

Obama won despite not increasing real wages, now Trump gives Americans their first real raises in decades and he's not going to get re-elected? Does not follow.

[heydaralon]

Some poor people only have an iphone 10 though not the latest model. Americans have it so bad. They can't even spend 16 hours or facebook because they have to do some work. Its not fair.

[StCapps]

That's gold daralon, gold!

[SuburbanFarmer]

They voted for people who gave them less, especially incumbents, so your theory is incorrect, it's pure feelz.

You’re referring to politics pre-Great Recession. Things have changed, dramatically.

Obama won despite not increasing real wages, now Trump gives Americans their first real raises in decades and he's not going to get re-elected? Does not follow.

Trump gave me a raise?!? I gotta tell my boss.

[heydaralon]

Tell him about Zero Hedge. He'll probably get you a job in some global think tank. They make good money.

[Hastur]

Social Democracy is always sold by saying the rich will pick up the tab. In reality that never happens. Capital exists in a globalised world. It will move if taxes to much. Taxes will go up on things that can't move. Salaries, homes and consumption. The welfare state is paid for by the middle class.

[StCapps]

You’re referring to politics pre-Great Recession. Things have changed, dramatically.

Obama won despite not increasing real wages, now Trump gives Americans their first real raises in decades and he's not going to get re-elected? Does not follow.

Trump gave me a raise?!? I gotta tell my boss.

Projecting your own situation on everyone else is your problem. You always seem to assume that Americans think the same way you do or in the same situation that you are, they are not, you're the outlier. Just because you aren't seeing a raise doesn't mean a lot of other people's wages aren't on the rise. Wages are no longer plateauing anymore, that ended under Obama, you just refuse to give Trump any credit, despite being the first POTUS in decades to turn that around.

[Hastur]

Social democratic taxation tactics explained.

[Speaker to Animals]

Social Democracy is always sold by saying the rich will pick up the tab. In reality that never happens. Capital exists in a globalised world. It will move if taxes to much. Taxes will go up on things that can't move. Salaries, homes and consumption. The welfare state is paid for by the middle class.

I think it would be more effective, though, if proponents displayed some agency and dedication. Instead of running on a promise that they will increase gibs to their voters paid by somebody else, they should run on the idea that we all need to take collective charge of our welfare and destiny, and taking control means we need to collectively pay our own way. In other words, instead of demonizing the wealthy, direct attention to those who are capable of carrying their own water but do not so that the people who cannot reasonably carry their own water are properly cared for.

Here is the states, if we just took the money people already pay in these insane insurance premiums, applying that to a single payer system, we’d have the greatest health care this planet has ever seen. I think we could actually reduce the cost people are paying now, and add a little from the payroll taxes of people who currently refuse to pay for shitty for-profit insurance, and we’d be better off. People can still get private supplementary insurance for non-essential procedures.

Where the message goes wrong is how they come up with all this moonbat expensive shit and their answer to the question if funding is “somebody else”.

[StCapps]

Social Democracy is always sold by saying the rich will pick up the tab. In reality that never happens. Capital exists in a globalised world. It will move if taxes to much. Taxes will go up on things that can't move. Salaries, homes and consumption. The welfare state is paid for by the middle class.

I think it would be more effective, though, if proponents displayed some agency and dedication. Instead of running on a promise that they will increase gibs to their voters paid by somebody else, they should run on the idea that we all need to take collective charge of our welfare and destiny, and taking control means we need to collectively pay our own way. In other words, instead of demonizing the wealthy, direct attention to those who are capable of carrying their own water but do not so that the people who cannot reasonably carry their own water are properly cared for.

That's a better pitch, unfortunately many social democrats are just communists who prefer a label with less baggage and won't go for an approach that doesn't demonize the successful and doesn't see the best way to help the less successful as tearing down the more successful.