MHF Democrat Primary Poll

[heydaralon]

It’s not that hard to think critically, and read with a grain of salt. If I see an article about ‘the inevitable collapse of the west’ or something, I skip it or skim for data points.

Essentially, just put your own pieces together. One article might have a link to a scientific study that backs it up, another might just show HuffPo saying some dumb shit.

These things are not even a challenge for citizens of the internet. The only ones swallowing hook line and sinker are the elderly and imbeciles - which we will never run out of.

Using this, I was able to call the PetroDollar, Coronavirus, and the fake stock market months before anyone else. I get early reports of anything coming down the pike, and I verify for myself.

There is simply no other way to escape the monopoly news machine, unless I spend all day on 4chan and end up like NukeDog.

I can't take them seriously man. They have predicted hundreds if not thousands of times that the US economy is going to collapse. I would compare them to Left Behinder's who say that Christ is coming back on a certain date. Then the date keeps changing.

Also can you elaborate on Petro$ and fake stock market?

Is there a time in history where you think the stock market was accurate?

I think you have said that you believe the 80's were when the elites started fucking over everyone. I didn't live through the 70's, but I have read enough about them and talked to people who lived through them. It doesn't make me nostalgic. Lines miles long to get gas etc. The fact that we both have the time to waste (for me during work even) debating frivolous shit on this forum tells me that we have a standard of living that most Americans in history would kill for. There is fuckery at the top, and numbers are fudged, but there has never been a time where this wasn't so.

Sorry, Nixon took us off the good standard in 1971, the 70s are far from "nostalgic" other than maybe being the Disco era.

The 60s maybe, and that's debatable because of the war, protests, civil rights, etc. Financially yes, maybe it was the last decade on the gold standard, but we'd already spent ourselves way past what our gold could reimburse.

Lol the 60's were an incredibly shitty decade dude. The 70's sucked too, but a lot of the shit that people are claiming is the end of the world such as protest, racial divide etc was way worse in the 60's. I'm not quite sure what you are arguing here. I'm not pining for the 70's or wishing we went back to that.

[heydaralon]

I’m reminded of the Bronze Age Collapse. All it takes is a shutdown in the supply chain. I’ve been telling friends I’m not scared of the virus so much as the ensuing panic.

Get food now.

Just let the magical invisible hand of free market capitalism handle it, guy. Pay no mind to the fact that the market religion is why China is the producer of the drugs we need, as well as the basic kit like disinfectant, masks, and gloves.

Centrally planned economies don't have shortages of food or medical supplies either. It worked out pretty well during the 20th century. My one regret is not living in Russia during the 30's or China during the 50's and 60's. Land of plenty that.

Likewise, Centrally planned economies handle famines really well too. North Korea, Ethiopia, China, Ukraine, and Russia were all known for their impressive response to these calamities and the care and expedience they had for their civilians.

Ironically, both of you all hating market based economies would have all of the food you accumulated get confiscated by the Centrally planned economic government if a famine or crisis occured. This has happened every time a famine occured in commie land. You would be called hoarders or kulaks and would be severely punished for not sharing with the people.

[heydaralon]

It’s not that hard to think critically, and read with a grain of salt. If I see an article about ‘the inevitable collapse of the west’ or something, I skip it or skim for data points.

Essentially, just put your own pieces together. One article might have a link to a scientific study that backs it up, another might just show HuffPo saying some dumb shit.

These things are not even a challenge for citizens of the internet. The only ones swallowing hook line and sinker are the elderly and imbeciles - which we will never run out of.

Using this, I was able to call the PetroDollar, Coronavirus, and the fake stock market months before anyone else. I get early reports of anything coming down the pike, and I verify for myself.

There is simply no other way to escape the monopoly news machine, unless I spend all day on 4chan and end up like NukeDog.

I can't take them seriously man. They have predicted hundreds if not thousands of times that the US economy is going to collapse. I would compare them to Left Behinder's who say that Christ is coming back on a certain date. Then the date keeps changing.

Also can you elaborate on Petro$ and fake stock market?

Is there a time in history where you think the stock market was accurate?

I think you have said that you believe the 80's were when the elites started fucking over everyone. I didn't live through the 70's, but I have read enough about them and talked to people who lived through them. It doesn't make me nostalgic. Lines miles long to get gas etc. The fact that we both have the time to waste (for me during work even) debating frivolous shit on this forum tells me that we have a standard of living that most Americans in history would kill for. There is fuckery at the top, and numbers are fudged, but there has never been a time where this wasn't so.

Petro-dollar is the Chinese oil contract, sold in Yuan rather than dollars. Essentially breaking our global monopoly on oil. The last few guys to try this were Saddam and Ghaddafi. But we can’t ‘regime change’ China so easily.

As for the market, the fall probably began after WW2 with the absurd levels of MIC spending that Ike warned about. Nixon made money into a fiction, and Clinton finished the job by repealing Glass-Steagal - allowing banks to gamble with their savings accounts. Once that happened, there was no longer any legitimacy to equity trading. The Fed has been printing money like Zimbabwe to keep the ball rolling, but it’s only a matter of time now before collapse.

Regarding inequality, yours is t he most common argument - that we have it better than anyone in history. That’s not debatable - of course we do.

However, consider the change in human productivity over the past few decades. It’s exponential. A picture being worth a thousand words, this is my favorite:


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The gap between those lines is waste, corruption, and ‘executives’ taking 300x their average employees pay.

Where is this chart from? It looks like the Piketty one to me.

[heydaralon]

In fact, here is where it gets really funny. Every single collectivist centrally planned society has stripped the countryside bare to fill the pantries of the city. It is always better to be living in the cities during Commie rule, because the leaders preserve them at the expense of farmers. So Sta and SF would just have all their shit taken if to feed the city progressives they hate.


Central Planning sucks dude. It certainly wouldn't allow you to just homestead in peace. That is a fairy tale. There wasn't any rugged individualism during the Khmer Rouge or Great Leap Forward. Jeremiah Johnson would have been put in a gulag.

[Speaker to Animals]

Global capitalism is also central planning, they just don't want to admit it because the planning is done by a few multinational corporations rather than some politburo.

Nicholas Nassim Taleb calls this the Soviet-Harvard complex. The central planners of the Chinese government and the corporate managerial class are basically the same kinds of people.

[GloryofGreece]

In fact, here is where it gets really funny. Every single collectivist centrally planned society has stripped the countryside bare to fill the pantries of the city. It is always better to be living in the cities during Commie rule, because the leaders preserve them at the expense of farmers. So Sta and SF would just have all their shit taken if to feed the city progressives they hate.


Central Planning sucks dude. It certainly wouldn't allow you to just homestead in peace. That is a fairy tale. There wasn't any rugged individualism during the Khmer Rouge or Great Leap Forward. Jeremiah Johnson would have been put in a gulag.

They also got are subsidized grains shipped from Kansas to Moscow way past the 1940s. So they strip their own, at the expense of the kulaks , and then to top it off get Americana food to go. It's cool.

[GloryofGreece]

Global capitalism is also central planning, they just don't want to admit it because the planning is done by a few multinational corporations rather than some politburo.

Nicholas Nassim Taleb calls this the Soviet-Harvard complex. The central planners of the Chinese government and the corporate managerial class are basically the same kinds of people.

Bingo and I and Jay Dyer just call it the technocracy . It can be socialist in leaning or capitalist , ends same same .

[heydaralon]

Global capitalism is also central planning, they just don't want to admit it because the planning is done by a few multinational corporations rather than some politburo.

Nicholas Nassim Taleb calls this the Soviet-Harvard complex. The central planners of the Chinese government and the corporate managerial class are basically the same kinds of people.

Bingo and I and Jay Dyer just call it the technocracy . It can be socialist in leaning or capitalist , ends same same .

Lol we are not "the same" as Cubans or Russians dude. You don't have to stand in line four hours for a loaf of bread. There are many many problems with the current system, including some technocrats at the top, but think about how funny that is for Dyer who reviews movies for a living (and does so without the interference of the Jewish/CIA/shadow gov't elite he thinks control everything) talking about how bad things are. I don't think folks during the Great Depression could have reviewed movies for a living. Even during that period, among the worst in our history, we didn't have millions of people starving to death like Collectivist economies. Jay Dyer wouldn't be able to write what he does in any centrally planned economy. Most Americans of the past would view him as effete.

I think its important to put things in perspective. What we have is not perfect, but it is a country mile better than just about any time period in history and certainly every country. I may come off like a naive rube for saying that, but I suspect that much of our criticism about our current state makes us sound like spoiled brats to people who actually have endured famine and hardship.

[heydaralon]

We are arguing about this on an internet forum from air conditioned houses with full fridges. I don't think that resembles the Solyzneitzen experience very much. Fast food workers in our evil market society live vastly better than Pyongyang's elite class.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I’m reminded of the Bronze Age Collapse. All it takes is a shutdown in the supply chain. I’ve been telling friends I’m not scared of the virus so much as the ensuing panic.

Get food now.

Just let the magical invisible hand of free market capitalism handle it, guy. Pay no mind to the fact that the market religion is why China is the producer of the drugs we need, as well as the basic kit like disinfectant, masks, and gloves.

Centrally planned economies don't have shortages of food or medical supplies either. It worked out pretty well during the 20th century. My one regret is not living in Russia during the 30's or China during the 50's and 60's. Land of plenty that.

Likewise, Centrally planned economies handle famines really well too. North Korea, Ethiopia, China, Ukraine, and Russia were all known for their impressive response to these calamities and the care and expedience they had for their civilians.

Ironically, both of you all hating market based economies would have all of the food you accumulated get confiscated by the Centrally planned economic government if a famine or crisis occured. This has happened every time a famine occured in commie land. You would be called hoarders or kulaks and would be severely punished for not sharing with the people.

Ask the Irish or the Indians about the glories of free market food supply. There are plenty of examples of famine in capitalist systems.