Brexit

[Montegriffo]

All flying subserviently to the EU standard. Yuck, as he stated we signed up for a common market not this other bullshit.

Yet Farage wants us to hard Brexit and leave the Common Market.
Who is going to oppose the federalisation of Europe now that Britain is leaving the EU?
Germany and France can now move forward with their plans for a United States of Europe and there is no one left with the power to stop them.
A classic case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We're moving from a position of power within the EU to being America's bitch, desperate for approval to ensure the best possible trade deal with the US.

America > The EU
That's an upgrade fool.

Being America's bitch is not an upgrade from a position of power within the EU.
Mind you, the Tory spokesman on Question Time tonight made it clear that we will not be buying any chlorinated chicken or growth hormone beef in the future and after a big FU to Trump over Huawei being involved in our 5G system any trade deal with the US is going to be hard-fought.

[StCapps]

Yet Farage wants us to hard Brexit and leave the Common Market.
Who is going to oppose the federalisation of Europe now that Britain is leaving the EU?
Germany and France can now move forward with their plans for a United States of Europe and there is no one left with the power to stop them.
A classic case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We're moving from a position of power within the EU to being America's bitch, desperate for approval to ensure the best possible trade deal with the US.

America > The EU
That's an upgrade fool.

Being America's bitch is not an upgrade from a position of power within the EU.

Yes it is.

[clubgop]

The rule is no national flags inside the EU parliament because it is supposed to be the place where the member states' representatives get together to debate policies which benefit the Union.
It is not a place for petty Nationalist stunts from egomaniac populists.
Outside the parliament building you will see all the individual flags of the member nations.

All flying subserviently to the EU standard. Yuck, as he stated we signed up for a common market not this other bullshit.

Yet Farage wants us to hard Brexit and leave the Common Market.
Who is going to oppose the federalisation of Europe now that Britain is leaving the EU?
Germany and France can now move forward with their plans for a United States of Europe and there is no one left with the power to stop them.
A classic case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We're moving from a position of power within the EU to being America's bitch, desperate for approval to ensure the best possible trade deal with the US.

Make no mistake be it America's or Brussel's you were always somebody's bitch. None of the doomsday predictions of the remoansers have come to pass, this is a special SIFCLF day of observance.

[Montegriffo]

All flying subserviently to the EU standard. Yuck, as he stated we signed up for a common market not this other bullshit.

Yet Farage wants us to hard Brexit and leave the Common Market.
Who is going to oppose the federalisation of Europe now that Britain is leaving the EU?
Germany and France can now move forward with their plans for a United States of Europe and there is no one left with the power to stop them.
A classic case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
We're moving from a position of power within the EU to being America's bitch, desperate for approval to ensure the best possible trade deal with the US.

Make no mistake be it America's or Brussel's you were always somebody's bitch. None of the doomsday predictions of the remoansers have come to pass, this is a special SIFCLF day of observance.

Brexit hasn't happened yet so it would be extremely foolish to make statements about predictions not coming to pass.
Trade negotiations haven't even started yet.
Most of the doomsday predictions were about a no-deal Brexit. Even the government's predictions about no-deal in the ''Yellowhammer report'' were dire. Bad enough that the government tried to suppress it.
Now that Boris's rehash of May's ''Chequers deal'' has passed through Parliament no-deal is extremely unlikely. The fiscal good sense of the Tories is likely to mean that our relationship with the EU in the future will look more like the Common Market of old. For this to work, there is likely to be regulatory alignment with the EU.
Hopefully, Trump will be re-elected and the inevitable souring relationship with the US will lead Boris to stay closer to Europe than America.
Trump is not the deal maker he thinks he is and Boris is not going to just roll over and let him dictate the terms. Trump is like a 5-year-old when it comes to not getting his own way so I predict a meltdown and a soft Brexit which will leave Farage and his nationalist followers spitting feathers. I'm actually getting more optimistic that something positive can be salvaged from this whole clusterfuck.
I mean, Boris actually agreed to nationalise Northern Rail yesterday and Immigration Watch have warned that the proposed points-based immigration system will actually increase immigration rather than reduce it. He is not the great white hope that the extreme Right believes him to be.
He's actually quite liberal in terms of gay rights, immigration, the end of austerity etc.
He's still a lying, cheating, buffoon but he's not an idiot like Trump.

[Hastur]

Britain had no power in the EU. That was the problem. Sweden has lost it's biggest ally but it doesn't matter. We have never got anything through. Railroaded on every issue. Flip the table and sod of. Why not?

[Montegriffo]

Britain had no power in the EU. That was the problem. Sweden has lost it's biggest ally but it doesn't matter. We have never got anything through. Railroaded on every issue. Flip the table and sod of. Why not?

I don't think that's true.
Britain was one of the big three. We forced the EU to give us a rebate. We were the only member which kept its own currency. We had a veto against policies we didn't approve of. We refused to be a part of Schengen. We were one of the major contributors.
To say we had no power makes no sense.

[Hastur]

Britain had no power in the EU. That was the problem. Sweden has lost it's biggest ally but it doesn't matter. We have never got anything through. Railroaded on every issue. Flip the table and sod of. Why not?

I don't think that's true.
Britain was one of the big three. We forced the EU to give us a rebate. We were the only member which kept its own currency. We had a veto against policies we didn't approve of. We refused to be a part of Schengen. We were one of the major contributors.
To say we had no power makes no sense.

So your biggest achievements were all about participating less? Then Brexit must have been the ultimate win.

[Montegriffo]

Britain had no power in the EU. That was the problem. Sweden has lost it's biggest ally but it doesn't matter. We have never got anything through. Railroaded on every issue. Flip the table and sod of. Why not?

I don't think that's true.
Britain was one of the big three. We forced the EU to give us a rebate. We were the only member which kept its own currency. We had a veto against policies we didn't approve of. We refused to be a part of Schengen. We were one of the major contributors.
To say we had no power makes no sense.

So your biggest achievements were all about participating less? Then Brexit must have been the ultimate win.

Thereby proving that Parliament is supreme and sovereignty was never in doubt.
To throw away the benefits of membership to return to sovereignty we never lost is the worst argument that the leavers came up with.

[StCapps]

I don't think that's true.
Britain was one of the big three. We forced the EU to give us a rebate. We were the only member which kept its own currency. We had a veto against policies we didn't approve of. We refused to be a part of Schengen. We were one of the major contributors.
To say we had no power makes no sense.

So your biggest achievements were all about participating less? Then Brexit must have been the ultimate win.

Thereby proving that Parliament is supreme and sovereignty was never in doubt.
To throw away the benefits of membership to return to sovereignty we never lost is the worst argument that the leavers came up with.

There are no benefits of membership that can't be had without membership. You can have your own currency without membership, you don't need to veto policies that don't effect you without membership, you don't have to be part of Schengen without membership.

Pretending that leaving the EU would result in "benefits being taken away" is the worst argument the remoaners came up with. It's a false dichotomy because you can negotiate a deal to keep all the benefits without membership, best of both worlds. By pretending it was all or nothing, that was the only way to make staying in the EU look good by comparison, but the only people the remoaners were fooling were themselves.

[Montegriffo]

So your biggest achievements were all about participating less? Then Brexit must have been the ultimate win.

Thereby proving that Parliament is supreme and sovereignty was never in doubt.
To throw away the benefits of membership to return to sovereignty we never lost is the worst argument that the leavers came up with.

There are no benefits of membership that can't be had without membership. You can have your own currency without membership, you don't need to veto policies that don't effect you without membership, you don't have to be part of Schengen without membership.

Pretending that leaving the EU would result in "benefits being taken away" is the worst argument the remoaners came up with. It's a false dichotomy because you can negotiate a deal to keep all the benefits without membership, best of both worlds. By pretending it was all or nothing, that was the only way to make staying in the EU look good by comparison, but the only people the remoaners were fooling were themselves.

How about frictionless trade with the world's largest free trade zone?
How about free movement, rights of residence and the ability to work in that zone?
How about reciprocal healthcare arrangements which mean that if I fall ill in any of the other member states I will receive full care free of charge to me?
Somehow it is a great deal to lose the benefits that come with the EU in order to ''take back control'' which we never lost in the first place?