UK election

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Re: UK election

Post by clubgop » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:57 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:36 pm
I'm just disappointed at the Lib Dems performance, they might need a new leader too.
Can't blame her. They took a strong remain position which was non strategic.

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Re: UK election

Post by clubgop » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:04 pm

Well fuck me, Jeremy Corbyn will leave as leader eventually and the leader of Lib dems lost her seat to SNP so no need to discuss that prospect.

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Re: UK election

Post by StCapps » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:25 pm

Told you so, Monte.


Bojo Majority, Fuck The EU, Bye Europe.

As usual, Monte's projecting his hatred of Brexit on the British electorate has lead to faulty analysis. Of course, he'll just blame Corbyn and pretend this had nothing to do with popular support for Brexit. Corbyn certainly didn't help but Labour being Remoaners certainly didn't help either.
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Re: UK election

Post by clubgop » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:35 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:25 pm
Told you so, Monte.


Bojo Majority, Fuck The EU, Bye Europe.

As usual, Monte's projecting his hatred of Brexit on the British electorate has lead to faulty analysis. Of course, he'll just blame Corbyn and pretend this had nothing to do with popular support for Brexit. Corbyn certainly didn't help but Labour being Remoaners certainly didn't help either.
Wasn't so much labour being remain. Or even a count of remain vs leave. One lie of the remain was exposed. After the referendum so many of remain complained that leavers voted for something they didn't understand and they regretted their vote. That narrative was smashed to bits in this election.

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Re: UK election

Post by StCapps » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:37 pm

clubgop wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:35 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:25 pm
Told you so, Monte.


Bojo Majority, Fuck The EU, Bye Europe.

As usual, Monte's projecting his hatred of Brexit on the British electorate has lead to faulty analysis. Of course, he'll just blame Corbyn and pretend this had nothing to do with popular support for Brexit. Corbyn certainly didn't help but Labour being Remoaners certainly didn't help either.
Wasn't so much labour being remain. Or even a count of remain vs leave. One lie of the remain was exposed. After the referendum so many of remain complained that leavers voted for something they didn't understand and they regretted their vote. That narrative was smashed to bits in this election.
Not to Monte though, he's got his scapegoat ready so he can claim that narrative is still intact, and his name is Jeremy Corbyn. Monte is still going to cling to the hope that if there was a Brexit do over, the Remoaners would win, he's never going to see the light on that, the Brexit Derangement Syndrome is strong in him.
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Re: UK election

Post by Hastur » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:18 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:31 am
Hastur wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:45 am

Yup. Now they are rallying to the flags. Lib Dems have clearly grown on Labour's expense. Now some are turning back. We will see if it will be enough.

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Well if those figures could translate directly to seats in Parliament (which they can't) then the Tories still don't have a majority.
If you split it along Leave/Remain lines then Remain has a small majority.
The thing is, pro-Brexit voters in the North of England are traditional Labour voters so they have no place to go but the Brexit Party. They will never vote Tory. So the BP is drawing from Tories disappointed at the slow movement of Brexit and Labour leavers who can't bring themselves to vote Tory.
Pro-Remain Tories, likewise, have no place to go but the Lib Dems.

The Lib Dems are drawing from both parties based on their clear anti-Brexit policies and distaste for both Corbyn and Boris.

Anyone who predicts how this election is going to go with any certainty is a fool or a troll.
This one didn't age well.

:D :lol: :clap:
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Re: UK election

Post by StCapps » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:21 am

Hastur wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:18 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:31 am
Hastur wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:45 am

Yup. Now they are rallying to the flags. Lib Dems have clearly grown on Labour's expense. Now some are turning back. We will see if it will be enough.

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Well if those figures could translate directly to seats in Parliament (which they can't) then the Tories still don't have a majority.
If you split it along Leave/Remain lines then Remain has a small majority.
The thing is, pro-Brexit voters in the North of England are traditional Labour voters so they have no place to go but the Brexit Party. They will never vote Tory. So the BP is drawing from Tories disappointed at the slow movement of Brexit and Labour leavers who can't bring themselves to vote Tory.
Pro-Remain Tories, likewise, have no place to go but the Lib Dems.

The Lib Dems are drawing from both parties based on their clear anti-Brexit policies and distaste for both Corbyn and Boris.

Anyone who predicts how this election is going to go with any certainty is a fool or a troll.
This one didn't age well.

:D :lol: :clap:
Wishful thinking is a helluva drug. I predicted the election with certainty and nailed it. Suck it, Monte.

The Lib Dems drew mostly from Labour, as I predicted, but Monte was unable to because he projected his views on the electorate.
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Re: UK election

Post by Hastur » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:23 am

Just one example from the old mining district in Northumberland:

https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk ... es-1340084
Blyth Valley shock win for Conservatives
There was a huge shock in one of the first constituencies to declare as the voters of Blyth Valley returned a Conservative MP for the first time.

The constituency in south-east Northumberland was the only one of the four in the county to be guaranteed a new representative after Labour veteran Ronnie Campbell stood down.

However, many will be surprised that his successor is Ian Levy, Blyth’s first Tory MP since the constituency’s formation in 1950.

The counting team at Blyth Leisure Centre wanted this to be the first seat declared nationally.

But this was scuppered – just – when a bundle recount was requested, suggesting an upset was on the cards.

He secured 17,440 votes, beating Labour’s Susan Dungworth, the leader of the opposition group on Northumberland County Council, by around 700 votes.
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Re: UK election

Post by Hastur » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:33 am

Oh, I forgot to mention that the collapse predictions that is expected due to Brexit is mysteriously absent today.
General election 2019: Pound and shares surge

The pound and shares have surged after the Conservatives won a clear majority in the UK general election.

Sterling gained 1.5% to $1.33 - its highest level since June last year - on hopes that the big majority would remove uncertainty over Brexit.

The pound also jumped to a three-and-a-half-year high against the euro.

On the stock market, the FTSE 100 share index rose 1.8%, while the FTSE 250 - which includes more UK-focused shares - leapt 4%, hitting record highs.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said the election result meant that the Conservative government "has been given a powerful new mandate, to get Brexit done".

Mr Johnson has pledged to take the UK out of the European Union by 31 January.
I know what's coming though.

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Re: UK election

Post by BjornP » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:54 am

Ah, finally the Brits will be relieved a little less from useless politicians who think the public are impressed by their pointless political signalling. Brits must be exhausted by now of listening to and reading about their politicians behaving like recently beheaded chickens.
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