Brexit

[Montegriffo]

Most of them don't actually want no-deal. Boris wants his deal to succeed so he can go down as the guy who delivered Brexit.
So few people would benefit from a no-deal that it won't happen.

Nonsense, No Deal gets you a better deal after you leave. There is no reason to cave just to get a deal before you leave, especially when the deal you will be get will be better if you don't. You're just super impatient, and/or are under the delusion that if you leave without a deal, there will never be any deal.

No Deal Brexit doesn't mean No Deal Ever.

Exactly, these fuckin' Remoaners are just remoaning.

No-deal means a decade's worth of hostile negotiations with everybody we currently trade with.
Even if we leave with a deal passed by Parliament through a friendly EU it will take years.
Start withholding the divorce settlement and support from Brussels will disappear.

[Smitty-48]

Nonsense, No Deal gets you a better deal after you leave. There is no reason to cave just to get a deal before you leave, especially when the deal you will be get will be better if you don't. You're just super impatient, and/or are under the delusion that if you leave without a deal, there will never be any deal.

No Deal Brexit doesn't mean No Deal Ever.

Exactly, these fuckin' Remoaners are just remoaning.

No-deal means a decade's worth of hostile negotiations with everybody we currently trade with.
Even if we leave with a deal passed by Parliament through a friendly EU it will take years.
Start withholding the divorce settlement and support from Brussels will disappear.

That's what it takes then, sometimes you have to fight wars on principle and take the hit.

Fuck Brussels, the UK can retaliate in other ways if they want to play rough.

If they want to fuck around over Gibraltar, I'd fire warning shots at them, escalation dominance, just watch me.

The UK can employ military power to threaten the fuckers with actual war, that should make them think twice.

Withdraw all troops off the continent and redeploy them, cease military cooperation with EUFOR.

Throw some stick about, Crazy Ivan.

[Martin Hash]

My prediction is that Brexiteers win big and there’s a No Deal exit. That’s, in fact, the best deal for Britain.

I will say that my 15 years in politics has taught me that it’s all about the tribe, not logic. It seems LOGICAL that Brexiteers win big, but I thought that about Republicans in the 2018 Midterms too, and they lost big. In the end, it’s the demographics, and Democrats dominate, so if more R seats are up than D seats, Ds win. I lived in Britain a decade ago, and their Parliamentary system breaks through that, but obviously, their PMs are powerless if the Chamber is against them.

[Hastur]

Nonsense, No Deal gets you a better deal after you leave. There is no reason to cave just to get a deal before you leave, especially when the deal you will be get will be better if you don't. You're just super impatient, and/or are under the delusion that if you leave without a deal, there will never be any deal.

No Deal Brexit doesn't mean No Deal Ever.

Exactly, these fuckin' Remoaners are just remoaning.

No-deal means a decade's worth of hostile negotiations with everybody we currently trade with.
Even if we leave with a deal passed by Parliament through a friendly EU it will take years.
Start withholding the divorce settlement and support from Brussels will disappear.

Why would they be hostile? No one in Sweden seems to want any barriers.

[Montegriffo]

[clubgop]

If you want to stay in the abusive relationship you can move to France.

[Montegriffo]

There's no guarantee of that. It depends on what future agreement is made with the EU.

[Calculus Man]

Exactly, these fuckin' Remoaners are just remoaning.

No-deal means a decade's worth of hostile negotiations with everybody we currently trade with.
Even if we leave with a deal passed by Parliament through a friendly EU it will take years.
Start withholding the divorce settlement and support from Brussels will disappear.

That's what it takes then, sometimes you have to fight wars on principle and take the hit.

Fuck Brussels, the UK can retaliate in other ways if they want to play rough.

If they want to fuck around over Gibraltar, I'd fire warning shots at them, escalation dominance, just watch me.

The UK can employ military power to threaten the fuckers with actual war, that should make them think twice.

Withdraw all troops off the continent and redeploy them, cease military cooperation with EUFOR.

Throw some stick about, Crazy Ivan.

Right. This is about principle and independence much more than economics.

The Economics Uber Alles thing is getting pretty old. There are more important things than money.

[BjornP]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 43291.html

European Council president Charles Michel and European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen have signed the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, the council has said.

The European Parliament is expected to vote to ratify the agreement on January 29 ahead of Britain’s departure from the EU on January 31.

No real risk of the EU parliament not ratifying. Was some talk that MEP's were concerned about EU passport holders risking getting deported, but Johnson put those fears at rest by now, it seems. So, no more risk of no-deal Brexit.

[Montegriffo]

There are more important things than money.

An easy thing to say when it's someone else's money.

The right to live and work in any of the other member states is something we've been used to for decades. Imagine suddenly having the right to live in any other US State coming with restrictions as is likely if the UK places barriers to immigration from the EU.