The Space War Thread

[Smitty-48]

Space is the final frontier, not a mega city. Space Western not Space Metropolis.

There could be cities of sorts, but I think those would actually be artificial habitats

For example you may have planet which is resource rich, but not conducive to life.

So instead of living on the planet, you live in orbit around it.

I'm sure there will be some cities, but Space is going to a lot more rural and a lot less urbanized than Earth. Like you say, very small populations living very far apart.

What about a water planet, no land at all, it's very hot and high pressure, but instead of living on the planet, the habitat is an orbital ring around it, so it's a city, but it's linear, the size is spread around the ring.

No part of the ring is that huge, but the totality of the ring is massive.

[TheReal_ND]

For sure at first it will be like the pioneering days. The wild west no doubt. But that never lasts. It may ebb and flow with the tides of civilized society but eventually space will become populated. It may take a long time but that's exactly what we are designed to do. Sure America looked like a frontier at one point but look at NYC now. We are hardwired to go forth and populate the stars. In 5000 years of written history look how far we have come. Now multiply that by ten and imagine the frontier and what it will be.

We only need overcome a couple physical laws of space time travel and it will happen, I am sure of it. Mankind will find a way we are like life given to the universe by God himself.

[Smitty-48]

For sure at first it will be like the pioneering days. The wild west no doubt. But that never lasts. It may ebb and flow with the tides of civilized society but eventually space will become populated. It may take a long time but that's exactly what we are designed to do. Sure America looked like a frontier at one point but look at NYC now. We are hardwired to go forth and populate the stars. In 5000 years of written history look how far we have come. Now multiply that by ten and imagine the frontier and what it will be.

We only need overcome a couple physical laws of space time travel and it will happen, I am sure of it. Mankind will find a way we are like life given to the universe by God himself.

Yeah, you can go up and down a timeline.

It really comes down to velocity,

At first you're not going to be able to go that fast, so your options are limited.

As your velocity increases, you can go further out, it's space-time, the speed limit of light is the limiting factor.

The other things is, once you get up over 90% of the speed of light, you are relativistic.

So for you time is different from the people you left behind

When you arrive at your destination, you are still young, but maybe the people you left behind are long dead.

If you turn around and go back, it's a totally different place from when you left.

This makes space empires unlikely. Because the empire wouldn't be all together in the same time frame

[TheReal_ND]

Newton himself didn't find his answers and said as much. Why do we put so much stock in Einstein? They further our understanding but surely someday we can find new boundaries of physical laws to push. We can overcome the laws because God himself gave us this world. We can hack the system. There will be a way to travel quicker than the speed of light we just have to find it.

[Smitty-48]

Consider Delta Pavonis. In the book Dune it is the home system of House Atreides.

It's the nearest sun which is like our sun, so there's a chance there is an earth like planet in the Goldilocks Zone.

If you want to know where it is relative to you now, it's straight down.

Straight out from the South Pole in Antarctica, and you are heading towards Pavo.

It's 20 light years away. If you are going 20% of the speed of light say, that's 60,000 kilometers per second.

That's mindbogglingly fast, more than two times around the earth in one second.

And yet its still going to take your a hundred years to get there.

People will live and die on the ship and only their children will be the ones who see it.

Unless you freeze yourself somehow.

None the less, one hundred years will have passed on earth in the meantime

It takes twenty years for a radio signal to get to you from earth, twenty years for you to answer.

How can you have an empire when you are that far apart?

The speed of light limit makes empire implausible

The colonists simply take whatever government they believe in with them, there's no way to run them from afar.

There will be a way to travel quicker than the speed of light we just have to find it.

There is only a wormhole, you can't exceed 300,000 klicks per second, you could only find a shortcut.

[TheReal_ND]

It will start with colony ships.

[Smitty-48]

It will start with colony ships.

They're still going to need to be going pretty fast.

It's like the Voyager probes launched in the 70's are going about 50,000 mph,

Voyager One will reach the nearest star on its trajectory, in 40,000 years.

Crazy thing is, those probes could survive for billions of years, literally.

[TheReal_ND]

It's pretty fast but we can go faster

[Smitty-48]

It's pretty fast but we can go faster

You can go right up to the threshold of 300,000 kilometers per second.

That's 25 times around the earth, in one second.

That's crazy fast, hard to imagine what energy source would last in order get going that fast.

[TheReal_ND]

There is a way we will find it