Who was the biggest arsehole?

[Fife]

Is it an AMC theater or is it The Peoples' Theatre?

Legality Uber Alles at The Peoples' Theatre.

Would it be more acceptable to steal from a privately owned for-profit car park operator?
What if it was a church car park, is it OK to defraud God?

IT'S LEGALLLLLLLLLLLL

[Montegriffo]

It's not stealing, Monte. Your government might make it illegal, but that doesn't make it immoral.

It is stealing, you are refusing to pay the minimum charge.
You don't pay by the minute you pay by the hour and there are no refunds.
It is in black and white on the ticket and the ticket machine. The ticket machine informs you that a transferred ticket is not valid and the max fine will be applied for not showing a valid ticket.

[Montegriffo]

Is it an AMC theater or is it The Peoples' Theatre?

Legality Uber Alles at The Peoples' Theatre.

Would it be more acceptable to steal from a privately owned for-profit car park operator?
What if it was a church car park, is it OK to defraud God?

IT'S LEGALLLLLLLLLLLL

DON'T TAKE MY STUFFFFFFFFFFF

[Speaker to Animals]

It's not stealing, Monte. Your government might make it illegal, but that doesn't make it immoral.

It is stealing, you are refusing to pay the minimum charge.
You don't pay by the minute you pay by the hour and there are no refunds.
It is in black and white on the ticket and the ticket machine. The ticket machine informs you that a transferred ticket is not valid and the max fine will be applied for not showing a valid ticket.

The charge was already paid.

Nobody lost anything. No time allotment was lost. No goods or services were lost.

What was physically stolen from the car park?

[Montegriffo]

It's not stealing, Monte. Your government might make it illegal, but that doesn't make it immoral.

It is stealing, you are refusing to pay the minimum charge.
You don't pay by the minute you pay by the hour and there are no refunds.
It is in black and white on the ticket and the ticket machine. The ticket machine informs you that a transferred ticket is not valid and the max fine will be applied for not showing a valid ticket.

The charge was already paid.

Nobody lost anything. No time allotment was lost. No goods or services were lost.

What was physically stolen from the car park?

The car park lost the minimum charge for parking.
This could take revenue from council services such as the local library or swimming pool. It is theft.

[Speaker to Animals]

It is stealing, you are refusing to pay the minimum charge.
You don't pay by the minute you pay by the hour and there are no refunds.
It is in black and white on the ticket and the ticket machine. The ticket machine informs you that a transferred ticket is not valid and the max fine will be applied for not showing a valid ticket.

The charge was already paid.

Nobody lost anything. No time allotment was lost. No goods or services were lost.

What was physically stolen from the car park?

The car park lost the minimum charge for parking.
This could take revenue from council services such as the local library or swimming pool. It is theft.

So you are saying not giving somebody something for nothing is stealing from that person?

Stealing implies you own something that is taken from you. Nothing would be taken from the car park if you gave that man your ticket. The space was already paid for. You could just as easily have gone to lunch and used up all that time.

This is not stealing, Monte. It might be made illegal so the state can get more money by double charging for time on a space, but one could argue it is the state who is morally stealing by charging more than once for the same use of a parking spot.

[Montegriffo]

If you want full value for your ticket you can spend more time shopping.
You entered a contract when you bought the ticket. The clauses included not overstaying the allotted time and not transferring your ticket. You were not granted the right to a refund.

[Montegriffo]

The charge was already paid.

Nobody lost anything. No time allotment was lost. No goods or services were lost.

What was physically stolen from the car park?

The car park lost the minimum charge for parking.
This could take revenue from council services such as the local library or swimming pool. It is theft.

So you are saying not giving somebody something for nothing is stealing from that person?

Stealing implies you own something that is taken from you. Nothing would be taken from the car park if you gave that man your ticket. The space was already paid for. You could just as easily have gone to lunch and used up all that time.

This is not stealing, Monte. It might be made illegal so the state can get more money by double charging for time on a space, but one could argue it is the state who is morally stealing by charging more than once for the same use of a parking spot.

At no time have I suggested that it was me who was the direct victim of this theft. I could lose my library though. I could also face a heavy fine for accepting the ticket.
Once again, you are not charged by the minute. You are charged by the hour, it's a minimum charge per car.
It is stealing in every sense of the word.

[Speaker to Animals]

You are just upset that illegal != immoral.

Lots of things are illegal but not immoral. Lots of things are legal by not moral.

Welcome to fallen state of Mankind, I guess.

You can have a demon tranny story time where kids are exposed to a pedophile in London. Totally legal. Giving the parking spot time you bought and paid for to another person.. illegal. /shrug.

[Montegriffo]

Is the 8th commandment immoral now?