Why are you conservative, why are you liberal, why are you independent?

[clubgop]

lol

Liberals were authoritarians from day one.

So were all the Liberals who founded this country Authoritarians?

First time I've seem this thread...
So I'll give it a shot.

I'm liberal because I believe in individual rights not only collective rights.
I'm not conservative because traditional values don't have much purchase with me.
I'm not religious... I'm not really tribal in any significant way.
I'm not whole heartedly progressive because I believe in individual rights... and progressivism is too weak on this front in its current iteration of progressivism.
I do believe in making collective efforts to combat climate change though... and so on this issue I have some progressive inclinations.. but I worry that there is a segment too eager to trample on individual rights and this must be guarded against.
I also believe in a certain collective commitments to care for the ill and those who have suffered from disruptions in the economy... but I am leery of long term hostile dependence and believe this needs to be guarded against.

You sound like one of my fellow moderate Democrats that the right keeps telling us are extinct.

Well he is also Canadian so look how far you have to stretch to find it.

[clubgop]

You sound like one of my fellow moderate Democrats that the right keeps telling us are extinct.

Nice to meet you...

Truth be told... it is thanks to this forum that I stopped drinking the "full potency" left wing Kool aid.

Now I am considered right wing by the left and left wing by the right.

Thanks for that.

I was never all in on the Left, but it took finding myself getting beaten up in a left leaning forum for me to realize how fucked up and intolerant they were of anyone not fully aligned with them, same as the far right. Both sides demonize anyone who dares to be Moderate.

Real moderates? Or fake moderates? Real moderates can be respected, but the fake ones who clothe themselves in moderation to trojan horse far left policies deserve no quarter and earn the moniker undercover hack bitch. Dr. for the most part has been an honest straight forward poster, while you have been the poster child dishonest undercover hack bitch.

[clubgop]

Nice to meet you...

Truth be told... it is thanks to this forum that I stopped drinking the "full potency" left wing Kool aid.

Now I am considered right wing by the left and left wing by the right.

Thanks for that.

I was never all in on the Left, but it took finding myself getting beaten up in a left leaning forum for me to realize how fucked up and intolerant they were of anyone not fully aligned with them, same as the far right. Both sides demonize anyone who dares to be Moderate.

Yep, hence the accusations of being a partisan hack bitch. Ironically, from the biggest partisan hack on the forum.

A dishonest partisan hack bitch. An undercover hack bitch. Because I am honest about my views, I am just a honest partisan hack. Not a bitch, that is you. You are the dishonest, bad faith bitch. Try being honest once in a while instead of being an annoying little bitch that waits for some offense so you can run to mommy moderator and complain about what is obvious jokes. Cry more, bitch.

[Montegriffo]

Still not reading the hate-filled rants of the previous poster but I feel confident that QED is in order.

[Speaker to Animals]

So were all the Liberals who founded this country Authoritarians?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays'_Rebellion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Would appear so.

The Alien and Sedition Acts were a huge mistake in judgement on Adams part, but the others were a central Democratically elected government exercising it's authority, which is not the same thing as authoritarian government.

All of them were authoritarians.

One ought to disabuse himself of the silly notion that democracy is the antidote to authoritarianism. It's authoritarianism on steroids.

[clubgop]

Still not reading the hate-filled rants of the previous poster but I feel confident that QED is in order.

QED for you, when mommy moderator wont give you what you want you stick your fingers in your ears proclaiming your moderation while not hearing other views. Undercover hack bitch doing undercover hack bitch things.

[clubgop]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays'_Rebellion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

Would appear so.

The Alien and Sedition Acts were a huge mistake in judgement on Adams part, but the others were a central Democratically elected government exercising it's authority, which is not the same thing as authoritarian government.

All of them were authoritarians.

One ought to disabuse himself of the silly notion that democracy is the antidote to authoritarianism. It's authoritarianism on steroids.

The level of debate here.

It is not capital punishment. We are just cutting off the head.

[brewster]

One ought to disabuse himself of the silly notion that democracy is the antidote to authoritarianism. It's authoritarianism on steroids.

I see. So if Democracy and Marxism and all other forms of Govt are ALL authoritarian, what isn't, Anarchy & it's cousin Libertarianism?

Sadly, Gloppy is so deep into his paranoid delusions that there's nothing there to debate, mostly he seems to be railing at the voices in his head telling him that he's being deceived somehow by anyone who disagrees with him. I suspect we'll be hearing about him shooting up a public place in the news sometime soon.

[TheReal_ND]

One ought to disabuse himself of the silly notion that democracy is the antidote to authoritarianism. It's authoritarianism on steroids.

I see. So if Democracy and Marxism and all other forms of Govt are ALL authoritarian, what isn't, Anarchy & it's cousin Libertarianism?

Sadly, Gloppy is so deep into his paranoid delusions that there's nothing there to debate, mostly he seems to be railing at the voices in his head telling him that he's being deceived somehow by anyone who disagrees with him. I suspect we'll be hearing about him shooting up a public place in the news sometime soon.

and that's a quote

Mind explaining to me why so many school shooters are of mixed jewish ancestry?

[clubgop]

One ought to disabuse himself of the silly notion that democracy is the antidote to authoritarianism. It's authoritarianism on steroids.

I see. So if Democracy and Marxism and all other forms of Govt are ALL authoritarian, what isn't, Anarchy & it's cousin Libertarianism?

Sadly, Gloppy is so deep into his paranoid delusions that there's nothing there to debate, mostly he seems to be railing at the voices in his head telling him that he's being deceived somehow by anyone who disagrees with him. I suspect we'll be hearing about him shooting up a public place in the news sometime soon.

There you go with anger tip again. Just because I see your bullshit and call it out does not make me angry. You are the angry one, getting called on your lies must really suck for you. I pissed all over you already, you really need a second batch? You need a weekly schedule? If getting pissed on by another man is a Wednesday night what wildness would I have in store for Saturday? Sorry, it's pretty mundane he curls up with a Gore Vidal book and his 9 cats contemplating his relevancy. You see back in 68 Gore Vidal was in a similar position. Preaching moderation and a supposed rationality while being a stan for a left wing and party that has totally gone off the rails, calling everyone who disagrees with him a crypto nazi, punky cant understand why someone fighting back calling his bullshit and faggotry for the faggotry and bullshit that it is doesn't garner him the same success as Vidal himself. Punky figures if everything he believes in politically is going to go down in flames for a few decades why can't he get some accolades from a group of misfits like us? As this feeling of ennui consumes him he let's out a sigh and reasons to himself that Wednesday will be around soon enough.