Poll: How do you feel about society?

How do you feel about society?

I fantasize about a natural disaster wiping out most of humanity such that a small group of people can start all over.
1
6%
I think society should be burned to the ground.
3
17%
When I think about our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking “just let them all burn.”
1
6%
We cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.
1
6%
Sometimes I just feel like destroying beautiful things.
1
6%
None of the above.
11
61%
 
Total votes: 18

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Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by brewster » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:28 pm

This is a poll taken by sociologists studying how people support chaos and those who create it. Seems very familiar.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/04/opin ... Position=2
[the paper] argues that a segment of the American electorate that was once peripheral is drawn to “chaos incitement” and that this segment has gained decisive influence through the rise of social media. The rise of social media provides the public with unprecedented power to craft and share new information with each other,” they write. In the political arena, this technological transformation allows the transmission of a type of information that portrays “political candidates or groups negatively” and has “a low evidential basis.” The “new information” transmitted on social media includes “conspiracy theories, fake news, discussions of political scandals and negative campaigns.”

The circulation of this type of information (which the authors label “hostile political rumors”) has been “linked to large-scale political outcomes within recent years such as the 2016 U.S. presidential election.”

On a less cataclysmic level, the authors’ analysis helps explain the intensity of anti-establishment voting that drove Trump’s successful takeover of the Republican Party in the 2016 primaries.

The authors describe “chaos incitement” as a “strategy of last resort by marginalized status-seekers,” willing to adopt disruptive tactics. Trump, in turn, has consistently sought to strengthen the perception that America is in chaos, a perception that has enhanced his support while seeming to reinforce his claim that his predecessors, especially President Barack Obama, were failures.

Petersen, Osmundsen and Arceneaux find that those who meet their definition of having a “need for chaos” express that need by willingly spreading disinformation. Their goal is not to advance their own ideology but to undermine political elites, left and right, and to “mobilize others against politicians in general.” These disrupters do not “share rumors because they believe them to be true. For the core group, hostile political rumors are simply a tool to create havoc.”

In the past, chaos-seekers were on outer edges of politics, unable to exercise influence. Contemporary social media — Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube and so on — has empowered this constituency, providing a bullhorn to disseminate false news, conspiracy theories and allegations of scandal to a broad audience. Examples include the lunacy of the Comet Pizza story (a.k.a. Pizzagate), the various anti-Obama birther conspiracies and Alex Jones’s claim that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting that left 20 children dead was a “complete fake” staged by the government to promote gun control.

How do Petersen, Osmundsen and Arceneaux measure this “need for chaos"? They conducted six surveys, four in the United States, in which they interviewed 5157 participants, and two in Denmark, with 1336. They identified those who are “drawn to chaos” through their affirmative responses to the following statements:

I fantasize about a natural disaster wiping out most of humanity such that a small group of people can start all over.

I think society should be burned to the ground.

When I think about our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking “just let them all burn.”

We cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.

Sometimes I just feel like destroying beautiful things.

In an email, Petersen wrote that preliminary examination of the data shows “that the ‘need for chaos’ correlates positively with sympathy for Trump but also — although less strongly — with sympathy for Sanders. It correlates negatively with sympathy for Hillary Clinton.”

In their paper, Petersen, Osmundsen and Arceneaux contend that “the extreme discontent expressed in the ‘Need for Chaos’ scale is a minority view but it is a minority view with incredible amounts of support.”

The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over.”

The authors expressly caution that there “is a limitation of the study,” pointedly noting that “we cannot claim” that substantial numbers of “American citizens are ready to go into actual fights with the police or commit other forms of political violence.” Instead, they write,

this study provides insights into the kinds of thoughts and behaviors that people are motivated to entertain when they sit alone (and lonely) in front of the computer, answering surveys or surfing social media platforms.

In these circumstances, “a few chaotic thoughts that lead to a few clicks to retweet or share is enough. When the echoes of similar processes across multiple individuals reinforce each other, it can add up to cascades of hostile political rumors,” conspiracy theories and fake news.

The intense hostility to political establishments of all kinds among what could be called “chaos voters” helps explain what Pew Research and others have found: a growing distrust among Republican voters of higher education as well as empirically based science, both of which are increasingly seen as allied with the liberal establishment.
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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by Kill the King » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:43 pm

This is retarded. Wheres the option for sticking a daisy in your ass and hugging your neighbor?

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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by brewster » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:51 pm

Kill the King wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:43 pm
This is retarded. Wheres the option for sticking a daisy in your ass and hugging your neighbor?
I didn't write it. Presumably the methodology was counting the number of respondents who chose one of those. 5k respondents is considered quite a large poll, this doesn't appear to be half assed, but I'm no expert. Just thought I'd share something interesting no matter where you stand. Some people here have literally said things like all of that.

Should I add "none of the above"?
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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by Fife » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:14 pm

Utterly retarded. Who posted this marxist lo-info crap poll? "Burn Earth" is strictly 9th grade misfit shit.



Oh, sorry, never mind.

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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by brewster » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:31 pm

Fife wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:14 pm
Utterly retarded. Who posted this marxist lo-info crap poll? "Burn Earth" is strictly 9th grade misfit shit.
Oh, sorry, never mind.
FWIW, it doesn't say "Burn Earth", it says "Burn Society". And read the prepper thread here (among others) to see people saying exactly this.
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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by Fife » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm

brewster wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:31 pm
Fife wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:14 pm
Utterly retarded. Who posted this marxist lo-info crap poll? "Burn Earth" is strictly 9th grade misfit shit.
Oh, sorry, never mind.
FWIW, it doesn't say "Burn Earth", it says "Burn Society". And read the prepper thread here (among others) to see people saying exactly this.
So what?

You're the most wild-eyed prepper doomsday theorist around here, AFAICT

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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm

To be fair, we just want to burn New York and California in purifying nuclear flames.

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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by brewster » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:44 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm
To be fair, we just want to burn New York and California in purifying nuclear flames.
I believe you've said all cities.
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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by brewster » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:48 pm

Fife wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm
You're the most wild-eyed prepper doomsday theorist around here, AFAICT
Really? I guess you're not paying attention, since I'm not prepping at all. I'm depending on my 'mountain man' son to carry on my genes.
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Re: Poll: How do you feel about society?

Post by Fife » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:54 pm

brewster wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:48 pm
Fife wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:36 pm
You're the most wild-eyed prepper doomsday theorist around here, AFAICT
Really? I guess you're not paying attention, since I'm not prepping at all. I'm depending on my 'mountain man' son to carry on my genes.
O U preppin.

Hope it works out for you up there, cousin. I only wish you the best.