Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:26 am

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Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:08 am
Biggest bang for your buck with livestock is hogs. Always has been. Chicken and Pigs are the animals of the poor because they can live on almost nothing and will produce for you, even with limited care.

Plus, people can process them without a big investment into equipment. They are small enough to handle easily, etc.
Haitians called our hogs "little princess" when we replaced their disease ridden counterparts that were specifically adapted to living in Haitian squalor with them. They proved incapable of being able to raise our hogs because they required things like shade and water.

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by C-Mag » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:33 am

TheReal_ND wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:26 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:08 am
Biggest bang for your buck with livestock is hogs. Always has been. Chicken and Pigs are the animals of the poor because they can live on almost nothing and will produce for you, even with limited care.

Plus, people can process them without a big investment into equipment. They are small enough to handle easily, etc.
Haitians called our hogs "little princess" when we replaced their disease ridden counterparts that were specifically adapted to living in Haitian squalor with them. They proved incapable of being able to raise our hogs because they required things like shade and water.
You should have just stopped at Haitians are incapable. :twisted:

Levels of poor and protein sources
starvation = bugs
next to starvation = dried garbage fish
living = chickens
sufficient = goats or sheep
living well = pigs
On top of shit = beef
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by brewster » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:36 am

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:08 am
Biggest bang for your buck with livestock is hogs. Always has been. Chicken and Pigs are the animals of the poor because they can live on almost nothing and will produce for you, even with limited care.

Plus, people can process them without a big investment into equipment. They are small enough to handle easily, etc.
Pigs eat human shit, always in supply.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:36 am

How does one dry fish?

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:37 am

brewster wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:36 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:08 am
Biggest bang for your buck with livestock is hogs. Always has been. Chicken and Pigs are the animals of the poor because they can live on almost nothing and will produce for you, even with limited care.

Plus, people can process them without a big investment into equipment. They are small enough to handle easily, etc.
Pigs eat human shit, always in supply.
They also eat dead bodies. Bones and all.

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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by brewster » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:56 am

TheReal_ND wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:36 am
How does one dry fish?
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by C-Mag » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:12 am

Go to shithole 3rd world countries and you will see these street vendors with sacks of little garbage fish, dried, salty and stinky. But they are cheap protein.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by brewster » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:14 am

Hastur wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:21 am
I love the Aubrey–Maturin books. O'Brian was a great author. He worked in intelligence during WWII and used a lot of that experience in his writing. Ric Jerrom did a great job narrating them for Audible.

Every yachtsman is longing for the day when solar cells that are lightweight and flexible enough to be used as parts of sails are developed. Electricity is often in short supply and we don't want to run the motor unless absolutely necessary. A lot of people would replace their diesels with electric motors if there just was enough power to be had. Cheaper batteries will help as well but reliable charging is the biggest obstacle today.
He was a strange and secretive dude for sure, I've read the biography. Not O'Brian and not even Irish. Most aficionados consider the Patrick Tull reading the gold standard, but I've heard it's hard to switch once you get used to one reader.

Seems to me many sailors have wind powered generators aboard these days, though probably few use it to power a motor. But I don't see why not, there's tons of trolling motors that could be transom mounted, some fishing vessels up to 25' or so use them.
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by brewster » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:20 am

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:12 am
Go to shithole 3rd world countries and you will see these street vendors with sacks of little garbage fish, dried, salty and stinky. But they are cheap protein.
Pad Thai with little salted shrimps is awesome! There's a good case for our culture being built on salted stinky cod. The history of the fishery goes back to the Phoenicians. During the slave era it was cheap protein, that's why there's dry fish recipes from the Caribbean. It's funny, they call for low grade fish, they don't like the "Bakala" kind salted for the southern European market.

Cod: A Biography of the Fish that Changed the World https://www.amazon.com/Cod-Biography-Fi ... 0140275010
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Re: Preparing for Uncertainty and Self Reliance

Post by C-Mag » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:29 am

brewster wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:20 am
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:12 am
Go to shithole 3rd world countries and you will see these street vendors with sacks of little garbage fish, dried, salty and stinky. But they are cheap protein.
Pad Thai with little salted shrimps is awesome! There's a good case for our culture being built on salted stinky cod. The history of the fishery goes back to the Phoenicians. During the slave era it was cheap protein, that's why there's dry fish recipes from the Caribbean. It's funny, they call for low grade fish, they don't like the "Bakala" kind salted for the southern European market.

Cod: A Biography of the Fish that Changed the World https://www.amazon.com/Cod-Biography-Fi ... 0140275010
The book on salt I read devoted an entire section to Cod fish industry. It is cheap protein, and has helped countless millions survive. But once a culture can afford to, they get away from it. Lutefisk used to be holiday tradition with some Scandinavian Americans, but they hardly even make it anymore. A hundred years ago it was still a staple.

It's definitely an acquired taste. Shrimp might be a lot better.
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