Brexit

[Montegriffo]

Sure, politicians exaggerate and bend the truth all the time.
This was more than that though. It was an outright lie which swung a very close vote.

[Montegriffo]

If charging Boris means he loses the leadership campaign and future politicians are less inclined to write lies on buses I don't see how that is anything but a good thing.

[Otern]

Sure, politicians exaggerate and bend the truth all the time.
This was more than that though. It was an outright lie which swung a very close vote.

Denying the ambitions of an EU army was an outright lie. The 350 million was bending the truth, as he didn't take into account the millions coming back in. Both are lies, but one is way more clear than the other.

[StCapps]

Monte's just mad that Leave won, he's willing to forgive all of Remain's lies and only wants Pro-Brexit politicians punished. Obvious partisan witch hunt is obvious, using bullshit laws to lash out for losing a referendum. That's the reason for the law in the first place, lashing out at politicians the establishment doesn't like with selective enforcement.

[Montegriffo]

Monte's just mad that Leave won, he's willing to forgive all of Remain's lies and only wants Pro-Brexit politicians punished. Obvious partisan witch hunt is obvious, using bullshit laws to lash out for losing a referendum. That's the reason for the law in the first place, lashing out at politicians the establishment doesn't like with selective enforcement.

It's not the establishment. It's a private prosecution.
His aim is to set a precedent that public officials can't lie about finances (only finances) in order to mislead the public.
If successful all politicians will be bound by it.
How anyone can be opposed to that is beyond me.
All the talk around here about accountability was obviously just talk.
You're knee jerk reaction is to assume it is partisan or an abuse of freedom of speech.

Drain the swamp my arse.

You are actually defending a politician's right to lie to and mislead the public.

Unbelievable.

[Ph64]

Sure, politicians exaggerate and bend the truth all the time.
This was more than that though. It was an outright lie which swung a very close vote.

Ah, so you're saying it matters because it was a "very close vote" then?

Soooo... If Brexit had won by say 15%, you wouldn't care if the politician lied/bent-the-truth, because it wouldn't have been "very close"?

And if the Remain voters had won by the same amount Brexit did, you wouldn't want to be charging Boris with mis-stating a figure would you? Does it only matter if your side lost? Is it "ok" when "your side" lies and you win, or only when you lose?

[StCapps]

Monte's just mad that Leave won, he's willing to forgive all of Remain's lies and only wants Pro-Brexit politicians punished. Obvious partisan witch hunt is obvious, using bullshit laws to lash out for losing a referendum. That's the reason for the law in the first place, lashing out at politicians the establishment doesn't like with selective enforcement.

It's not the establishment. It's a private prosecution.
His aim is to set a precedent that public officials can't lie about finances (only finances) in order to mislead the public.
If successful all politicians will be bound by it.
How anyone can be opposed to that is beyond me.
All the talk around here about accountability was obviously just talk.
You're knee jerk reaction is to assume it is partisan or an abuse of freedom of speech.

Drain the swamp my arse.

You are actually defending a politician's right to lie to and mislead the public.

Unbelievable.

Private prosecution by a butthurt Pro-Remain dude. Politicians lie dude, get over it, stop with the useless virtue signaling, and claiming that anyone who doesn't support said virtue signaling doesn't really care about accountability. Your methods are stupid, they do not achieve your goals, you just wish that they would, and are lashing out at people who tell you how counter-productive and naive your plan is.

Government making a rule against behavior you don't like is not the solution to every problem, you put way too much faith in government and think it's way more effective than it actually is.

[BjornP]

How anyone can be opposed to that is beyond me.
All the talk around here about accountability was obviously just talk.

If someone cuts into a queue, and he isn't put on trial for it, does this mean that everyone in the queue are for people cutting the line? That they don't believe in holding the queue jumper accountable for his breach of common courtesy?

Your mistake is assuming that everything that is wrong, must be (made) illegal. Cussing in traffic? Rude and wrong and the only reason you think it should be legal is "obviously" if you applaud it.

By all means, lying about key numbers to voters in elections should have consequences. But not legal ones. It's not the courts politicians should feel most accountability to. It's the people, society, the public. It should be assumed, as an obvious and true fact, that the people are capable of holding people who lie and manipulate them accountable simply by not voting for that person again.

[Montegriffo]

How anyone can be opposed to that is beyond me.
All the talk around here about accountability was obviously just talk.

If someone cuts into a queue, and he isn't put on trial for it, does this mean that everyone in the queue are for people cutting the line? That they don't believe in holding the queue jumper accountable for his breach of common courtesy?

Your mistake is assuming that everything that is wrong, must be (made) illegal. Cussing in traffic? Rude and wrong and the only reason you think it should be legal is "obviously" if you applaud it.

By all means, lying about key numbers to voters in elections should have consequences. But not legal ones. It's not the courts politicians should feel most accountability to. It's the people, society, the public. It should be assumed, as an obvious and true fact, that the people are capable of holding people who lie and manipulate them accountable simply by not voting for that person again.

I think we've seen enough defending of the lie to know that isn't going to happen.
Capps position is that other politicians should be better liars.
Boris is the leading candidate for the Tory leadership. His supporters don't care how much he lies so long as he wins.

Voters should be able to make their decision based on the facts not lies.

If any one of us lied about our finances in order to get a mortgage we would face prosecution.
Lying about money to deceive voters and win a referendum is a far greater crime IMO yet no one seems to care.

Whatever, enjoy your lying politicians. You'll get the Government you deserve.

[StCapps]