Civil War Doomsday Clock

[Speaker to Animals]

An 8 week limit basically ends abortion. Most women have no idea in that time frame.

Utter bullshit but keep talking

Have some more beers. The Walmart parking lot is nothing if not convenient.

[TheReal_ND]

This is the part where I remind you that you always complain about personal attacks short of an argument but then I remember you have autism and on and on

[TheReal_ND]

Also, I'll have you know, I live in a high rise condo now. I love the view from up here. I literally look down at plebs and spit giant Luigi's on them.

[SuburbanFarmer]

8 weeks is 2 periods. I don’t know how long it would take to get an appt for an abortion though.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's two periods if you time conception just right and the woman's cycle is like clockwork. It's really just one period, and it's right around 8 weeks that some women start taking tests to find out why their one cycle is late.

Then there is the fact that lots of women do not have regular periods at all. They are on pills that really fuck up their hormonal system. Some just never had regular periods in their lives.

I'd guess most women find out around weeks 5-6. Women with irregular periods around week 8+.

Just removing the moral dimension of murdering your baby and thinking of it as some abstract life decision..

At best an 8 week cut-off gives the average woman with regular periods about three weeks to make a major life decision or that decision is made for them. From the pro-abort side, it really does seem like a poor omen for their future "rights".

From my perspective the law is garbage because it exempts women from actually breaking it. If a man kills an unborn baby: murder. If a woman gets an abortion.. abortionist: murderer; mother who procured the abortion: dindu nuffin.

[TheReal_ND]

Whatever

Everyone, apparently even the pro lifers lol, think 8 weeks is too close.

I don't even give a shit about this politicaly and I'm like, nah fuck that you don't get to kill your baby whore

[TheReal_ND]

8 weeks is 2 periods. I don’t know how long it would take to get an appt for an abortion though.

It doesn't take any time at all to get an appointment. It might take like 3-5 business days to get the procedure done however. I doubt bitches are going to be locked up for murder ever

[TheReal_ND]

I don't fucking care right? I've been through this shit already and I'll tell you right now, you better have some fucking resolve when you fuck that man if you want to take his money because if you don't really want that kid in Georgia, you got exactly 8 weeks to make your mind up. That's exactly two cycles you dumb thot.

[BjornP]

Abortion is suddenly a popular issue in the media again as a result of recent state laws in Alabama, Georgia and Missouri making abortion more restrictive. Naturally the media headlines reflect the views of those on the left of the spectrum. Has-been celebrities are calling for boycotts of the states. Panic and accusations of oppression run rampant.

This got me to realize that I wasn't even sure how liberal our abortion laws were compared to the rest of the world. Was limiting it to 8 weeks a third world view that only shithole countries still had?

This study is a great reference that compares our abortion laws to those of other countries with getting too long or convoluted.
https://lozierinstitute.org/internationalabortionnorms/

This report finds that the United States is one of only seven countries in the world that permit elective abortion past 20 weeks. This finding suggests that current proposals in the United States to restrict elective abortions past 20 weeks would move the United States from the fringe, ultra-permissive end of the spectrum to a position closer to international norms.

More than 75% of the countries permitting abortion without restriction as to reason do not permit elective abortions past 12 weeks gestation.ixx

Only 12% (7 out of 59) of the countries permitting abortion without restriction as to reason permit elective abortion past 20 weeks gestation.

The U.S. is among these 7 countries that permit elective abortion past 20 weeks.xi This is true whether 20 weeks is measured from the last menstrual period (gestational age), conception, or implantation. No matter how duration of pregnancy is measured, whether by gestational age or conception or fertilization, or implantation, all countries in this category pass the 20-week threshold. These countries/territories are:

Canada (no restriction in law)xii
China (no restriction in law)xiii
Netherlands (24 weeks)
North Korea (no restriction in law)
Singapore (24 weeks)
United States (viability)9
Vietnam (no restriction in law)xiv

The United States is within the top 4% of most permissive abortion policies in the world (7 out of 198) when analyzing restrictions on elective abortion based on duration of pregnancy.

Interesting information. The lefties would have you believe that an 8 week limit is stone age material reserved for only the most sadistic countries. Somehow women's rights means allowing an abortion up to birth and anything less is oppression from the middle ages. Yet those are the only views wee ever hear from. Never do we hear from media about the facts like these.

Surprised at Singapore, given their relatively high native Muslim population. Denmark has a 12 week limit. Abortion's not something that is actively discouraged, but not actively encouraged either (as in, it's not considered a form of birth control on par with condoms). It's considered a significant moral decision, something that is assumed will impact the pregnant woman emotionally. I think most people have heard that a fetus will be able to feel physical pain after 20 weeks, because the nervous system has developed enough by that stage. That, and abortion a child after it has reached a stage where it could survive in a NICU environment and grow into a relatively healthy adult, just seems like a natural line to set.

[SuburbanFarmer]

What happens when it becomes possible to keep a baby alive from 20 weeks? 15? 5?

You can’t base law on current technology.