Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:26 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:20 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:45 pm
Turns out I’m not a Nationalist after all; after listening to one of Molyneux’s videos, he makes a good argument that Nationalism is the nation over the individual, Socialism is society over the individual, and Marxism is equality over the individual.
So a guy made up a new definition for nationalism.
Whoop-woop.
SJWs make up new definitions for words all the time.
Shit is lame.
It still fits the America First narrative, with no mention of individual liberty, only the health of the nation as a whole.

I use the word “Marxism” to describe the thesis “from those..., to those...” because I’d lose the argument while I was explaining what I meant. Close enough.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:28 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:19 pm
After the Germans were stopped in the East, Mussolini, being a practical corporate fascist, said to Hitler that "the Russian phase of the war is over, we need to make a peace with Stalin so we can stop the Allies in the West"

But National Socialism could not be practical, it was total victory or total defeat, there was no negotiating anything.

National Socialism is more of a cult.

Fascism is Franco and Mussolini, Hitler was his own thing, Mussolini went down with him, but notice how Franco died in his sleep in 1975.
Well the entire concept of racial superiority was obvious on the face to everyone at the time but really the concept of race was kind of a new thing. When Hitler spoke of the Aryan race he was speaking specifically about all white ethnicities descendant of Aryans or in other words a white race. This was really invented in America but in Europe, to this day, it's something of a novel concept and at the time it really was a cult of belief and personality. Ironically, it hasn't died with Hitler. White may be a social construct but it's the only thing that can't be deconstructed. Anyone can be swedish or german but White means something specific that not anyone can be. Look at Ireland now. Now there are things called "white Irish." The fuck is that?

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by DBTrek » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:29 pm

na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/

noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
Random internet douche: Nu-uh! If you actually think about it, nationalism means, like, the state over the individual!!!

NPC DRONES: Yes, you’re right because you typed it and we read it.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:29 pm

Magda Goebbels was the greatest Nazi of them all.

Ultimate Jonestown.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Martin Hash » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:31 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:29 pm
na·tion·al·ism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/

noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
Random internet douche: Nu-uh! If you actually think about it, nationalism means, like, the state over the individual!!!

NPC DRONES: Yes, you’re right because you typed it and we read it.

:doh:
You ran away from Facebook. I fight on.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by DBTrek » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:31 pm

True.
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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:36 pm

American Nationalism is exceptional.

The Declaration of Independence for property rights.

You can't secure any of your other rights, until you secure your property.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:40 pm

I would argue American Nationalism is exceptional.
a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own:
Unity around what? Around the welfare of their own people? No. It's unity around Coca-Cola and Negro Felon League games.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by TheReal_ND » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:41 pm

If we are lucky we can achieve unity around rallying troops for Israel and bombing Muslims but fuck all good that did for Dearborn Michigan.

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Re: Nationalism, Socialism, Marxism

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:41 pm

E pluribus unum. The unity is in the defense of individual liberty.

Property rights, the arm of decision.
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