Current US Military

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:55 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:52 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:22 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:16 pm
:lol:
So sayeth the stockholder
Careful what you wish for, Sunshine.

I know what happens when fake reform hacks and bean counting fiscal hawks make military policy.

You end up with the Canadian Forces.

That ain't gonna happen, if John Rambo Jesus has any say in the matter.
I hear ya.
I'm not for cutting off the military budget because the socialists will commit that money forever to social programs that will destroy the fabric of American society.

I'm for fortress America, military Keynesianism at home. Strategically placed brigade teams, and a strong navy, global capable AF. 75% of the troops can come back home, build the wall, give retired troops 40 acres and mule, an M-4 over every mantel.
Indeed.

Mahanian Eternal Seapower.

Strategic Containment.

Supercounterforce Option.

Peace Through Strength.

Don't chase them into the Central Highlands.

Rule the waves and strike from the sea.

No infantry wars.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by brewster » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:58 pm

Isn't running government like a business a core tenet of Conservatism? Businesses know where their money goes and where their shit is. This whole thing seems like Marxism for the Military. It's the same lack incentives to actually work. If productivity is never quantified, then success is whatever the brass says it is, just like the Politburo. We talk about Stalin throwing away Divisions on the Eastern front, but we throw away our trillions with the same lack of accountability. In both cases all that matters is winning, and not the cost. In fact our problem is worse, since so many like Smitty and pork eaters are cheering the waste on.
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:01 pm

What defense contractor equity I may or may not hold has not been subject to the DoD budget whatsoever.

It's just been a big Quantitative Easing free money bubble.

Just take your profits along the way, because it will correct at some point.

Not because they cut the DoD budget tho, that's a drop in the bucket.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:10 pm

To wit, artificially low interest rates are driving capital to the equity markets lifting all boats on the bubble.

Don't brame me, roundeye, I didn't invent this game, I simply observe orient decide and act.

Free money from the Fed?

I'll take it.

Fed money is just a green as anybody elses.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:16 pm

brewster wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:58 pm
Isn't running government like a business a core tenet of Conservatism? Businesses know where their money goes and where their shit is. This whole thing seems like Marxism for the Military. It's the same lack incentives to actually work. If productivity is never quantified, then success is whatever the brass says it is, just like the Politburo. We talk about Stalin throwing away Divisions on the Eastern front, but we throw away our trillions with the same lack of accountability. In both cases all that matters is winning, and not the cost. In fact our problem is worse, since so many like Smitty and pork eaters are cheering the waste on.
"The Pentagon is Stalin!"
:lol:
What a fuckin loser.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:22 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:32 am
Yeah, they military micromanages the fuck out of the operational level of shit. They just don't want anyone looking at the staff level shenanigans, and there's lots of them.
The auditing racket is just a game for people to advance themselves while fixing stupid shit instead of taking riskier positions. The appropriations-level corruption is what needs investigations and indictments.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by C-Mag » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:25 pm

brewster wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:58 pm
Isn't running government like a business a core tenet of Conservatism? Businesses know where their money goes and where their shit is. This whole thing seems like Marxism for the Military. It's the same lack incentives to actually work. If productivity is never quantified, then success is whatever the brass says it is, just like the Politburo. We talk about Stalin throwing away Divisions on the Eastern front, but we throw away our trillions with the same lack of accountability. In both cases all that matters is winning, and not the cost. In fact our problem is worse, since so many like Smitty and pork eaters are cheering the waste on.
I joke about Military Keynsianism, but my little fantasy is just that. But for me, it is a mere stage to the end goal. NOTE: I'm not a Conservative, Classic Liberal here, that is the end goal.

Current military strategery in the ME is not about winning at all. It's all about stability operations and making the ME safe for resource extraction. Can't let the crazies in dirty night shirts control the crude. Can't let independent sheiks not aligned with NATO have control of the crude. This is Progressivism in play, they think they can nation build the ME into a Neo-Liberal land that pumps oil for us. It's Dan Carlin's give them blue jeans and rock n roll failing. It doesn't work for me. I don't want the Progressive foreign policy.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by C-Mag » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:26 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:22 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:32 am
Yeah, they military micromanages the fuck out of the operational level of shit. They just don't want anyone looking at the staff level shenanigans, and there's lots of them.
The auditing racket is just a game for people to advance themselves while fixing stupid shit instead of taking riskier positions. The appropriations-level corruption is what needs investigations and indictments.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:35 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:25 pm
brewster wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:58 pm
Isn't running government like a business a core tenet of Conservatism? Businesses know where their money goes and where their shit is. This whole thing seems like Marxism for the Military. It's the same lack incentives to actually work. If productivity is never quantified, then success is whatever the brass says it is, just like the Politburo. We talk about Stalin throwing away Divisions on the Eastern front, but we throw away our trillions with the same lack of accountability. In both cases all that matters is winning, and not the cost. In fact our problem is worse, since so many like Smitty and pork eaters are cheering the waste on.
I joke about Military Keynsianism, but my little fantasy is just that. But for me, it is a mere stage to the end goal. NOTE: I'm not a Conservative, Classic Liberal here, that is the end goal.

Current military strategery in the ME is not about winning at all. It's all about stability operations and making the ME safe for resource extraction. Can't let the crazies in dirty night shirts control the crude. Can't let independent sheiks not aligned with NATO have control of the crude. This is Progressivism in play, they think they can nation build the ME into a Neo-Liberal land that pumps oil for us. It's Dan Carlin's give them blue jeans and rock n roll failing. It doesn't work for me. I don't want the Progressive foreign policy.
It's not about oil. That's a canard. America controls the oil from the sea.

The ME is all about the Iranian Revolution and associated Carter Doctrine from 1979.

It's just institutional inertia in effect.

Otherwise known as a Cold War Zombie Legacy Project.

Which nobody remembers the original purpose of, after 40 years.

Oil is not the issue, America doesn't need to sit on it to control it.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:37 pm

And the Carter Doctrine is what?

Same old, same old Domino Theory.

Iranian Dien Bein Phu,
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