Best American General of All Time?

[Smitty-48]

You have to factor in Prohibition.

Prohibition was bigger than you think it was.

Prohibition was a Cold War unto itself.

In 1963, the Marquesses of Prohibition were still running things.

Altho, thanks to the Kennedy's, they were by this time starting to feel some pressure.

They thought, if they got the Irish Kennedy's elected, they, the Irish Catholics, would look the other way,

But the opposite happened, they got the Kennedy's elected, then the Kennedy's turned on them.

[Smitty-48]

If I had to guess, I don't think Giancana and the Sicilians appreciated the fact, that JFK would go to Vegas and fuck any broad he wanted to, did anything he wanted to, like he was Mobbed up, and nobody would ever rat on him, like he was Mobbed up.

But then Kennedy would go back to Washington and start acting like a Cake Eater on a mission to bust the Mob.

Vegas was JFK's home away from home, he was out there having orgies, and at the time, it was totally a Mafia town, Vegas was nothing but the Mafia at this point.

Now, you're a Sicilian, and you let a politician have a blank cheque on your dime, protected by you, nobody can say shit about it, because you got him covered, and then he tries to fuck you?

If you know Sicilians, that is a capital offense.

All he had to do was look the other way, instead he goes Gangbusters.

I can see the Sicilians going Black Hand on that, particularly when they were feeling pressure for the first time.

They might have risked an overreach, because RICO world was coming and they could feel it already.

[heydaralon]

If I had to guess, I don't think Giancana and the Sicilians appreciated the fact, that JFK would go to Vegas and fuck any broad he wanted to, did anything he wanted to, like he was Mobbed up, and nobody would ever rat on him, like he was Mobbed up.

But then Kennedy would go back to Washington and start acting like a Cake Eater on a mission to bust the Mob.

Vegas was JFK's home away from home, he was out there having orgies, and at the time, it was totally a Mafia town, Vegas was nothing but the Mafia at this point.

Now, you're a Sicilian, and you let a politician have a blank cheque on your dime, protected by you, nobody can say shit about it, because you got him covered, and then he tries to fuck you?

If you know Sicilians, that is a capital offense.

All he had to do was look the other way, instead he goes Gangbusters.

I can see the Sicilians going Black Hand on that, particularly when they were feeling pressure for the first time.

They might have risked an overreach, because RICO world was coming and they could feel it already.

How specifically did Kennedy go after them? If anything, wouldn't Bay of Pigs overthrowing Castro have helped them get back their havana casinos? Like I said, I know Bobby Kennedy went after Hoffa and the Teamsters, but what did JFK do that directly targeted the mob?

[Smitty-48]

How specifically did Kennedy go after them? If anything, wouldn't Bay of Pigs overthrowing Castro have helped them get back their havana casinos? Like I said, I know Bobby Kennedy went after Hoffa and the Teamsters, but what did JFK do that directly targeted the mob?

I don't know.

Just sayun

[heydaralon]

How specifically did Kennedy go after them? If anything, wouldn't Bay of Pigs overthrowing Castro have helped them get back their havana casinos? Like I said, I know Bobby Kennedy went after Hoffa and the Teamsters, but what did JFK do that directly targeted the mob?

I don't know.

Just sayun

How directly was jfk's dad involved with the mob? I know he was a bootlegger, but was he having people killed and smoking cigars with Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky?

[Smitty-48]

How specifically did Kennedy go after them? If anything, wouldn't Bay of Pigs overthrowing Castro have helped them get back their havana casinos? Like I said, I know Bobby Kennedy went after Hoffa and the Teamsters, but what did JFK do that directly targeted the mob?

I don't know.

Just sayun

How directly was jfk's dad involved with the mob? I know he was a bootlegger, but was he having people killed and smoking cigars with Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky?

It's not about that.

Prohibition simply made the Mob so rich and powerful that assassinating politicians was no big thing to them.

Which was not the case before.

The Black Hand were not that powerful until Prohibition came along.

Cuba was just a place to launder money, because they had so much of it, they had nowhere to put it.

[Smitty-48]

Like, Ruby was not an idealist, Ruby was not an activist, Ruby was not naive.

Why is he shooting Oswald for Kennedy and risking going to the chair for that? It makes no sense.

Ruby being mob connected, that makes more sense.

[heydaralon]

I don't know.

Just sayun

How directly was jfk's dad involved with the mob? I know he was a bootlegger, but was he having people killed and smoking cigars with Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky?

It's not about that.

Prohibition simply made the Mob so rich and powerful that assassinating politicians was no big thing to them.

Which was not the case before.

The Black Hand were not that powerful until Prohibition came along.

Cuba was just a place to launder money, because they had so much of it, they had nowhere to put it.

That Casino movie with Pesci and Deniro is based on this Pileggi book about the Chicago Outfit and Vegas. They actually did end up assassinating the head of the teamsters union irl. I was reading about that story, and apparently the Mormon Church did a lot of the Mob financing and loans that enabled them to get roots out there, which is hella weird (a lot of those mormon compound leaders are essentially gangsters themselves), but by the time the movie ended that is when they got thrown out sometime in the mid-80's. How fucking weird is that, mormons who don't even drink caffeine getting into bed with the people that pumped booze gambling and fast women into American society with a firehose?

[heydaralon]

Like, Ruby was not an idealist, Ruby was not an activist, Ruby was not naive.

Why is he shooting Oswald for Kennedy and risking going to the chair for that? It makes no sense.

Ruby being mob connected, that makes more sense.

He owned some mob protected nightclubs in dallas right?


Also, are you excited about that Scorsese Irishman movie coming out? I actually listened to the Frank Sheeran audiobook the movie is based on. The book was surprisingly mediocre tbh. I think with the cast and director they can pull it off though. In the book, Sheeran talks about making huge cash donations to Nixon and doing it via John Mitchell. He said that administration was greedy as fuck lol. Nixon also used this jewish lawyer as an intermediary to get a bunch of money from Mickey Cohen when he ran for president years ago, so he wasn't averse to using dirty cash to finance his campaign.

[Smitty-48]

Like, Ruby was not an idealist, Ruby was not an activist, Ruby was not naive.

Why is he shooting Oswald for Kennedy and risking going to the chair for that? It makes no sense.

Ruby being mob connected, that makes more sense.

He owned some mob protected nightclubs in dallas right?


Also, are you excited about that Scorsese Irishman movie coming out? I actually listened to the Frank Sheeran audiobook the movie is based on. The book was surprisingly mediocre tbh. I think with the cast and director they can pull it off though. In the book, Sheeran talks about making huge cash donations to Nixon and doing it via John Mitchell. He said that administration was greedy as fuck lol. Nixon also used this jewish lawyer as an intermediary to get a bunch of money from Mickey Cohen when he ran for president years ago, so he wasn't averse to using dirty cash to finance his campaign.

I didn't know anything about it, but I'm a Tricky Dick fan, so anything Dick Nixon related I will certainly watch, so long as the actor playing Nixon does a good job.