Someone with too much time on their hands should do a "Wire Edit" trailer for GoT, dubbing in the voices from The Wire. Picture Mance Rayder saying "You come at the king, you best not miss" or Tywin at the small council "Is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?! The fuck is you thinking, man?"StCapps wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:35 pm If David Simon was the showrunner of Game of Thrones, it would have been so much better. Oh well.
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We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND
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Yup, that would be gold Jerry.brewster wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:54 pmSomeone with too much time on their hands should do a "Wire Edit" trailer for GoT, dubbing in the voices from The Wire. Picture Mance Rayder saying "You come at the king, you best not miss" or Tywin at the small council "Is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?! The fuck is you thinking, man?"StCapps wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:35 pm If David Simon was the showrunner of Game of Thrones, it would have been so much better. Oh well.
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I believe Benioff and Weiss were pretty clear that they wanted to follow the books as closely as possible within the time restraints allowed. I suspect they were trying to please the book fans. Book fans usually get screwed on this. I know I've been disappointed this way so many times, especially when it comes to Stephen King.StCapps wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:40 pm
Game of Thrones doesn't have the balls to do that though, so they played it safe by checking in, just for the sake of checking in, and the show has suffered as a result. When Game of Thrones actually killed off important characters to improve the story the show was really good, when they started saving characters for end game with silly stall tactics and filler, the show went downhill.
The book fans in my life are extremely pleased with how it shows on screen. I only read most of book 1 and I thought season 1 did a great service to book 1. I can only take the word of those who have read all the books that it's been great. Not without complaint, though. Humans do love to complain.
Here's the thing; when I get to the point where an activity makes me complain more than I enjoy, I simply give it up. There's no shortage of television series I stopped watching before it was over, simply because it got too weird/boring/whatever.
Your near constant complaining, with sprinkles of "still a great show," doesn't make you sound edgy, or cool, or especially insightful. It makes me wonder why you bother wasting time doing an activity that mostly annoys you.
Had they left Arya just standing there watching her dad die, and then have her not show up until the end, everyone would be scratching their heads about what turned her into a brutal assassin. The stuff at Harrenhal was excellent, as was her time with The Hound. I could have done with less Bravos, but that's a minor complaint about an otherwise excellent journey.
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Benioff and Weiss trying to be too faithful to the books hurt the television show to appease fans of the book, bad call. Faithful adaptions at the expense of not exploiting the medium you are adapting the original story too, ends up in a worse product, every single time.Kath wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:35 amI believe Benioff and Weiss were pretty clear that they wanted to follow the books as closely as possible within the time restraints allowed. I suspect they were trying to please the book fans. Book fans usually get screwed on this. I know I've been disappointed this way so many times, especially when it comes to Stephen King.StCapps wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:40 pm
Game of Thrones doesn't have the balls to do that though, so they played it safe by checking in, just for the sake of checking in, and the show has suffered as a result. When Game of Thrones actually killed off important characters to improve the story the show was really good, when they started saving characters for end game with silly stall tactics and filler, the show went downhill.
The book fans in my life are extremely pleased with how it shows on screen. I only read most of book 1 and I thought season 1 did a great service to book 1. I can only take the word of those who have read all the books that it's been great. Not without complaint, though. Humans do love to complain.
Here's the thing; when I get to the point where an activity makes me complain more than I enjoy, I simply give it up. There's no shortage of television series I stopped watching before it was over, simply because it got too weird/boring/whatever.
Your near constant complaining, with sprinkles of "still a great show," doesn't make you sound edgy, or cool, or especially insightful. It makes me wonder why you bother wasting time doing an activity that mostly annoys you.
Had they left Arya just standing there watching her dad die, and then have her not show up until the end, everyone would be scratching their heads about what turned her into a brutal assassin. The stuff at Harrenhal was excellent, as was her time with The Hound. I could have done with less Bravos, but that's a minor complaint about an otherwise excellent journey.
If you can't handle criticism of a show you like, that's your problem not mine. The show is still highly watchable in my opinion, even with all it's flaws. It's just not as great as it used to be, and if they screw the landing up really badly, then that would put the show in How I Met Your Motherville.
Thankfully while I am worried they won't nail the landing, I don't think they are going to screw it up that badly even if it's a rough landing. But you never know, endings are hard, and this Game of Thrones ending seems especially high difficulty, they saved a lot for the endgame, not sure if they can get it all in with the time remaining and do it justice, but I hope they do, and at least have some kind of payoff for all that mid-late season filler.
Even The Americans made the mistake of trying to save too much for the endgame, and the penultimate season of the show suffered as a result, but they nailed the landing, so that sacrifice paid off in the long run. I consider that show to be one of the top 10 TV drama's off all-time, but even shows of that quality sometimes make these mistakes, and shows of lesser quality are more prone to making those kind of mistakes and tend to do so more often, Game of Thrones isn't an exception.
Less Arya would have been more, too much filler in her storyline aside from Harrenhal, and her time with The Hound would have been better if it wasn't just point A to point B travelling, though if they are going to spend a lot of time travelling from point A to point B with Arya, then The Hound was the character to choose. But in general there is way too much travelling in show, with nothing but dialogue, and no real story progress, that works a whole lot better in a novel, not so great on a television show.
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Game of Thrones is by far the best show set in Westeros, period. It is way better than all the halfassed spinoffs they'll make. All the complainers can fuck off. I'm tired of explaining to haters that the zombie dragon had an especially powerful flame which could destroy that big wall in 4 seconds. If you can't handle the physics of that, you might as well be a climate change denier.
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Lulzheydaralon wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:54 pm Game of Thrones is by far the best show set in Westeros, period. It is way better than all the halfassed spinoffs they'll make. All the complainers can fuck off. I'm tired of explaining to haters that the zombie dragon had an especially powerful flame which could destroy that big wall in 4 seconds. If you can't handle the physics of that, you might as well be a climate change denier.
Game of Thrones is the best non-sci fi fantasy show I've ever seen, even with it's flaws, there are not a lot of good offerings in that genre, and GoT blows them out of the water. I expected the spinoffs to be half assed milking of a cash cow, that's already been milked too much as it is.
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Also, Kath needs to simmer down on considering unfavorable comparisons of Game of Thrones to The Wire as some big insult to the show, when the same can be said at pretty much every show ever made. I just used The Wire as a comparison in this case, because GoT clearly borrowed ideas from The Wire and naturally couldn't execute those ideas as well as The Wire did, and they didn't pick and choose what to steal from The Wire correctly, because they don't understand what made The Wire so great. But lots of shows try to do that, and GoT is better than most shows that try to be too much like The Wire in general.
Hell even David Simon himself has made the mistake of checking in on characters for the sake of checking in on them, in the Second Season of The Deuce, for instance, and didn't give enough screen time to the main characters and story of the season, in order to pursue worldbuilding side tangents. Even the dude who wrote The Wire falls for this trap on occasion, and The Deuce is still a good show despite season 2 being a touch disappointing, calm down Kath, lots of great shows fall into the trap, it's not that big of a deal.
Hell even David Simon himself has made the mistake of checking in on characters for the sake of checking in on them, in the Second Season of The Deuce, for instance, and didn't give enough screen time to the main characters and story of the season, in order to pursue worldbuilding side tangents. Even the dude who wrote The Wire falls for this trap on occasion, and The Deuce is still a good show despite season 2 being a touch disappointing, calm down Kath, lots of great shows fall into the trap, it's not that big of a deal.
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You check out Billions? Its pretty decent. A bit too Sorkinesque for my tastes, but worth watching.StCapps wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:56 pmLulzheydaralon wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:54 pm Game of Thrones is by far the best show set in Westeros, period. It is way better than all the halfassed spinoffs they'll make. All the complainers can fuck off. I'm tired of explaining to haters that the zombie dragon had an especially powerful flame which could destroy that big wall in 4 seconds. If you can't handle the physics of that, you might as well be a climate change denier.
Game of Thrones is the best non-sci fi fantasy show I've ever seen, even with it's flaws, there are not a lot of good offerings in that genre, and GoT blows them out of the water. I expected the spinoffs to be half assed milking of a cash cow, that's already been milked too much as it is.
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Yeah the Deuce has a healthy dose of Social Justice activism in it. I like the pimp aspect and the mafia aspect the most. i could care less about some dumb whores whining about their rights. I was glad to see Ashley get carpet rolled. Waste of a storyline. I also despise Candy. She is a sanctimonious ho bag. Simon makes great tv, but he is a complete and total NPC irl. Its staggering how boring his ideas/talking points are in interviews. IdkStCapps wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:04 pm Also, Kath needs to simmer down on considering unfavorable comparisons of Game of Thrones to The Wire as some big insult to the show, when the same can be said at pretty much every show ever made. I just used The Wire as a comparison in this case, because GoT clearly borrowed ideas from The Wire and naturally couldn't execute those ideas as well as The Wire did, and they didn't pick and choose what to steal from The Wire correctly, because they don't understand what made The Wire so great. But lots of shows try to do that, and GoT is better than most shows that try to be too much like The Wire in general.
Hell even David Simon himself has made the mistake of checking in on characters for the sake of checking in on them, in the Second Season of The Deuce, for instance, and didn't give enough screen time to the main characters and story of the season, in order to pursue worldbuilding side tangents. Even the dude who wrote The Wire falls for this trap on occasion, and The Deuce is still a good show despite season 2 being a touch disappointing, calm down Kath.
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Watched the first three seasons, good show, love the pacing, there is a show that refuses to slow down, and punches way above it's weight because of it. GoT could learn a lot from Billions when it comes to having basically no stall tactics, and just rolling along with the story and not getting bogged down with needless side tangents.heydaralon wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:05 pmYou check out Billions? Its pretty decent. A bit too Sorkinesque for my tastes, but worth watching.StCapps wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:56 pmLulzheydaralon wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:54 pm Game of Thrones is by far the best show set in Westeros, period. It is way better than all the halfassed spinoffs they'll make. All the complainers can fuck off. I'm tired of explaining to haters that the zombie dragon had an especially powerful flame which could destroy that big wall in 4 seconds. If you can't handle the physics of that, you might as well be a climate change denier.
Game of Thrones is the best non-sci fi fantasy show I've ever seen, even with it's flaws, there are not a lot of good offerings in that genre, and GoT blows them out of the water. I expected the spinoffs to be half assed milking of a cash cow, that's already been milked too much as it is.
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